Chronological listing of Polish-Lithuanian and Hungarian sabers

Teisani · 20th March 2023, 12:06 PM

More coats of arms.
https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/1170
https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...zis/adatlap/99
https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/7241
https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/6999
https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/5530
https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...is/adatlap/106
https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...is/adatlap/155
https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...is/adatlap/115

Teisani · 20th March 2023, 12:10 PM

King Rudolph of Hungary, Vienna1583. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/7052

Teisani · 20th March 2023, 12:17 PM

King János I of Hungary 1540. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...azis/adatlap/5

Teisani · 20th March 2023, 12:21 PM

King of Hungary, Ulászló, Buda 1515. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/7197

Teisani · 20th March 2023, 12:29 PM

Ferdinand I. King of Hungary. Date estimated 1531-1558.
https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/6899

Teisani · 20th March 2023, 12:36 PM

Lipot I of Transylvania 1698. L-guard sabre https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...is/adatlap/711

Teisani · 20th March 2023, 12:45 PM

Ferdinand II king of Hungary. 1622
https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/7240

Reventlov · 23rd March 2023, 05:47 PM

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King of Hungary, Ulászló, Buda 1515. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/7197

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Hard to make out the details, but perhaps this shows the classic "Hungarian" S-shaped guard which we know from mostly older swords and sabers, as seen here and here.

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Another example of the 1470s is in Austria, but the artist Hans Siebenbürger was evidently a Transylvanian Saxon, the land of "Seven Castles" (German: Siebenbürgen).

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Teisani · 23rd March 2023, 06:10 PM

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Hard to make out the details, but perhaps this shows the classic "Hungarian" S-shaped guard which we know from mostly older swords and sabers...

In my opinion, it's more likely to represent an Ottoman style sabre. You can see the angled end-cap like on these sabres.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...4&postcount=26
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...7&postcount=64
And the cross-guard looks like this one.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...4&postcount=24

awdaniec666 · 26th March 2023, 12:08 AM

Now that we have seen lots of s-guards and banana-hilts, it would be a great time to dig up those depictions of Tatar sabers or other under-represented forms (Ordynka, Czeczuga, Ormianka etc.).
Hopefully I can also come up with some paintings including the Polish knuckle-bow saber in the future (Mr. Z´s Class I which I have mentioned very briefly in the Karabela Guide).

20th March 2023, 12:06 PM	#1
Teisani Member Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Romania Posts: 314	More coats of arms. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/1170 https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...zis/adatlap/99 https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/7241 https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/6999 https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/5530 https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...is/adatlap/106 https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...is/adatlap/155 https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...is/adatlap/115 Last edited by Teisani; 20th March 2023 at 12:53 PM.

20th March 2023, 12:10 PM	#2
Teisani Member Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Romania Posts: 314	King Rudolph of Hungary, Vienna1583. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/7052 Attached Images

20th March 2023, 12:17 PM	#3
Teisani Member Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Romania Posts: 314	King János I of Hungary 1540. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...azis/adatlap/5 Attached Images

20th March 2023, 12:21 PM	#4
Teisani Member Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Romania Posts: 314	King of Hungary, Ulászló, Buda 1515. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/7197 Attached Images

20th March 2023, 12:29 PM	#5
Teisani Member Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Romania Posts: 314	Ferdinand I. King of Hungary. Date estimated 1531-1558. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/6899 Attached Images

20th March 2023, 12:36 PM	#6
Teisani Member Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Romania Posts: 314	Lipot I of Transylvania 1698. L-guard sabre https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...is/adatlap/711 Attached Images

20th March 2023, 12:45 PM	#7
Teisani Member Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Romania Posts: 314	Ferdinand II king of Hungary. 1622 https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/7240 Attached Images

26th March 2023, 12:08 AM	#10
awdaniec666 Member Join Date: May 2021 Location: Central Europe Posts: 174	Now that we have seen lots of s-guards and banana-hilts, it would be a great time to dig up those depictions of Tatar sabers or other under-represented forms (Ordynka, Czeczuga, Ormianka etc.). Hopefully I can also come up with some paintings including the Polish knuckle-bow saber in the future (Mr. Z´s Class I which I have mentioned very briefly in the Karabela Guide).