Maguindanao twistcore Kris.

CharlesS · 11th April 2018, 03:59 PM

Congrats on one of the finest twistcores I have seen!

I believe it certainly pre-20th century.

kino · 11th April 2018, 06:35 PM

The sellers poor photos indicated a twist core blade. But I wasn't aware that it would be such a beauty.

I'm thinking that the hilt had been replaced.

Congrats.

Sajen · 11th April 2018, 10:36 PM

Beautiful blade!

Spunjer · 12th April 2018, 03:25 AM

congratulations on acquiring this particular kris! i've been trying to talk to the seller into selling it to me but he/she would not ship it overseas.
i'm mesmerized with the paneling on this particular piece. very beautiful!!!

Gustav · 12th April 2018, 11:31 AM

Ian, Charles, Albert, Detlef, Ron - thank you!

Albert - before I had it in my hands I also thought of hilt being a replacement.
Possibly it still is, but the "lamella" of Asang-Asang fits the bend of its head rather well, and the rattan winding (which surely looks like a temporarily solution) seems to be done in Philippines. So at least - if replacement, then an old one.

Does somebody of you have seen such an ending of middle panel on a Kris before?

kino · 12th April 2018, 01:13 PM

I should have been a little more concise with my assessment.
I meant to add that the hilt replacement is old, not recent.
The blade is just too nice for a plain unadorned hilt.

I agree with CharlesS that this is pre 20th cent.

Spunjer · 12th April 2018, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kino

I should have been a little more concise with my assessment.
I meant to add that the hilt replacement is old, not recent.
The blade is just too nice for a plain unadorned hilt.

I agree with CharlesS that this is pre 20th cent.

nah brah, i have one that has a plain handle that seems to be original with the kris itself.
kinda makes me wonder sometimes if what we think as plain is not so back in the days

Ian · 16th April 2018, 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kino

... The blade is just too nice for a plain unadorned hilt. ...

Hi Kino.

In an earlier comment here I suggested that this was a sword used by a panglima. A panglima was employed by a Sultan as his military chief, perhaps the equivalent of a general in western armies. Elsewhere on this site it has been suggested that twist core blades on a kris were a sign of rank for the panglima. If so, some of these blades would have been for use as a weapon and perhaps some were for "show." Therefore, finding a rather plain hilt on a high quality twist core blade should not be uncommon or surprising if many of these were intended for "field use" rather than "parade swords."

Ian.

12th April 2018, 11:31 AM	#5
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	Ian, Charles, Albert, Detlef, Ron - thank you! Albert - before I had it in my hands I also thought of hilt being a replacement. Possibly it still is, but the "lamella" of Asang-Asang fits the bend of its head rather well, and the rattan winding (which surely looks like a temporarily solution) seems to be done in Philippines. So at least - if replacement, then an old one. Does somebody of you have seen such an ending of middle panel on a Kris before? Attached Images

11th April 2018, 03:59 PM	#1
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Congrats on one of the finest twistcores I have seen! I believe it certainly pre-20th century.

11th April 2018, 06:35 PM	#2
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,020	The sellers poor photos indicated a twist core blade. But I wasn't aware that it would be such a beauty. I'm thinking that the hilt had been replaced. Congrats.

11th April 2018, 10:36 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,409	Beautiful blade!

12th April 2018, 03:25 AM	#4
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	congratulations on acquiring this particular kris! i've been trying to talk to the seller into selling it to me but he/she would not ship it overseas. i'm mesmerized with the paneling on this particular piece. very beautiful!!!

12th April 2018, 01:13 PM	#6
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,020	I should have been a little more concise with my assessment. I meant to add that the hilt replacement is old, not recent. The blade is just too nice for a plain unadorned hilt. I agree with CharlesS that this is pre 20th cent.