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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 30th June 2008, 12:55 AM
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Posted By baganing_balyan
punal or punyal is a word for a knife period. if...

punal or punyal is a word for a knife period. if it's not a knife-length, they have a word for it. calling a sword a knife is just illogical. Maranaos are not that dumb. They are good in language...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 30th June 2008, 12:52 AM
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Posted By baganing_balyan
punal from punyal entered the maranao lexicon...

punal from punyal entered the maranao lexicon through chavacano (filipinized spanish) in zamboanga. it is a word for a knife not a maranao traditional name for a blade. Tagalogs use punyal too to...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 30th June 2008, 12:49 AM
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Posted By baganing_balyan
by the way, since you are into my credibility. I...

by the way, since you are into my credibility. I got in this forum because your use of "ethnographic weapons" intrigued me.

do you know what ethnographic means?

do you know that you can...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 30th June 2008, 12:41 AM
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Posted By baganing_balyan
at least you know punal is spanish. why would an...

at least you know punal is spanish. why would an anti-christian, anti-spanish muslims use punal as a tradtional name for a blade. that alone would give you a hint.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 30th June 2008, 12:38 AM
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Posted By baganing_balyan
I am not into bragging about my background. I...

I am not into bragging about my background. I challenge you to find a maranao and find out the truth yourself.

now tell me what is punal or punyal. Have you measured that guy's sword using his...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 30th June 2008, 12:23 AM
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Posted By baganing_balyan
since you are an expert, can you tell me what...

since you are an expert, can you tell me what punal or punyal is? while you are at it, tell me also its etymology.

I can. can you?
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 30th June 2008, 12:20 AM
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Posted By baganing_balyan
that's what i have been telling you.. hilts,...

that's what i have been telling you.. hilts, handle heads, and sheaths vary among muslim groups. I even saw samal krises with shells on their sheaths and pearls on the handles and kalagans' with...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 30th June 2008, 12:08 AM
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Posted By baganing_balyan
are you telling me that the guy in yellow attire...

are you telling me that the guy in yellow attire was holding a knife on his side? estimate the length of his kris using his fist. is that a knife?

can you tell me what is punal or punyal?
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 30th June 2008, 12:03 AM
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Posted By baganing_balyan
that's what i have been saying all along-- the...

that's what i have been saying all along-- the naming the mindanao weapons is extremely problematic. Some are coined to make them sound exotic.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 30th June 2008, 12:00 AM
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Posted By baganing_balyan
please do a research first what a punal or punyal...

please do a research first what a punal or punyal is-- not from the book but from the people using it if there are.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 29th June 2008, 11:53 PM
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Posted By baganing_balyan
as i said, maranao kris used as a regalia is...

as i said, maranao kris used as a regalia is shorter, so length should not be used in dating.

I saw maranao krises like that in Marawi. There are still smiths today in lanao who make short...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 29th June 2008, 11:51 PM
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Posted By baganing_balyan
I did years of fieldwork in mindanao. I won't...

I did years of fieldwork in mindanao. I won't spoon-feed you with data. if you
check I only share tidbits. wait for my book.

Not making any sense? I can't blame you. you are used to...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 29th June 2008, 10:26 PM
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Posted By baganing_balyan
You asked this very obvious question: "can...

You asked this very obvious question:

"can you tell me your source for this? and how can one differentiate the difference of a sulu kris, Zamboanga kris(?) and a maguindanaon kris?"

Ignorance...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 29th June 2008, 08:45 PM
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Posted By baganing_balyan
check this maranao blogger with a maranao shorter...

check this maranao blogger with a maranao shorter regalia kris on his side and on the wall. Maranao krises are very artsy and metallic. He has the same short krises I saw in Marawi city. I assume...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 29th June 2008, 06:27 AM
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Posted By baganing_balyan
Not necessarily. Krises used as regalia...

Not necessarily. Krises used as regalia specially by maranaos, known for their elegance and courtly appearance, tend to have shorter krises.

Yakan's krises tend to have etched designs using lines...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 29th June 2008, 12:09 AM
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Posted By baganing_balyan
mmmmm cato is one of his references. Like...

mmmmm cato is one of his references.

Like that maguinadanaon kris should be dated in relation to the same krises known for their simple handles like that-- almost the same angular, clean design...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 28th June 2008, 10:10 PM
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Posted By baganing_balyan
Is he from Mindanao? he should check those words.

Is he from Mindanao? he should check those words.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 28th June 2008, 10:07 PM
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Posted By baganing_balyan
mmmmmm I thought when I mentioned sulu...

mmmmmm I thought when I mentioned sulu elephants, you would research or know about it. They were from java transported to Sulu. The account is still vague, and I am still collecting data.
...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 28th June 2008, 09:54 PM
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Posted By baganing_balyan
Have you checked if those kris/kalis terms...

Have you checked if those kris/kalis terms traditionaly exist in Mindanao?

Kris luma? Do you know what luma means? kris espada? Is that traditionally mindanaoan?

Kris tulid? is it tul-id?
...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 28th June 2008, 09:04 PM
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Posted By baganing_balyan
there are just too many levels to consider in...

there are just too many levels to consider in dating mindanaoan kris.

First, the people of mindanao is not homogenous in language, art, weaponry. social development, etc.

so, the development of...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 28th June 2008, 07:08 PM
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Posted By baganing_balyan
On the issue of turko, it seems you are not...

On the issue of turko, it seems you are not getting my point. I grew up hearing turko used to scare us when we were kids so was bombay. I did not even know then how they looked like. I had not...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 28th June 2008, 05:16 PM
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Posted By baganing_balyan
correction: I did not change my tone. I said...

correction: I did not change my tone. I said it's 19th century, and if you want me to put a ball park, it's mid 19th century upto mid 20th century. I did not change.

I just told you in...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 28th June 2008, 10:37 AM
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Posted By baganing_balyan
I meant to say photographs of old krises. Ivory...

I meant to say photographs of old krises. Ivory handles are mostly 19th century. in archaeology, the more intricate a tool looks, the more recent it is.

You said the spanish introduced the...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 28th June 2008, 02:53 AM
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Posted By baganing_balyan
the use of ivory in mindanaoan weaponry is recent...

the use of ivory in mindanaoan weaponry is recent not ancient-- probably when the Europeans occupied Borneo in late 1800's.

Smithsonian photographs do not even show krises with ivory handles.

I...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 28th June 2008, 01:42 AM
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Posted By baganing_balyan
I think the krises collected or photographed by...

I think the krises collected or photographed by the smithsonian institution in 1900's were actually older. Moros then and muslims now have a tradition of treating weapons as heirlooms.

Spunjer's...
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