Help with Keris ID?

nechesh · 30th May 2005, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Spunjer

well, i know it's a 50/50 chance, but at the least whoever attached the gunong hilt on the blade had the knob facing the "right" way...

Good point. Certainly someone had a sense of what they were doing here. Though it seems they used far too much pitch to attach the blade.

Bill · 31st May 2005, 01:39 AM

very interesting, 14" blade, "beak" instead of an elephant, the brass work on the ferrule is odd. the keris blade looks very old to me. wonder why the "spacer" between blade & ferrule, you would think the person that re-hilted it would have deepened the hole for the peksi, I would think if someone was going to use it for a weapon, they would have. if this keris did end up in Moroland, it might be Bugis, as the Moro were fond of the bigger keris they produced.

nechesh · 31st May 2005, 03:43 AM

Bill, i'm pretty sure this isn't a "beak" instead of an "elephant trunk", but a case which is very common where there "trunk" has eroded away. The blade doesn't look particularly Bugis to me, the blade is too narrow and the gonjo too long, but then you never know. I believe the "spacer" between the hilt and blade is overflowing pitch.

Alam Shah · 31st May 2005, 04:14 AM

The blade has 11 gentle luks, with pamor wos wutah or scattered rice variation.
Pamor wos wutah is believed to enhance the owner's material well being.

A proper washing in lime juice would bring back the visibility of the pamor pattern. However, with the hilt secured with thick pitch, it may be difficult to remove the hilt for a normal bath. Alternatively, it could be done with the hilt attached in a vertical position.

littledirtnap · 31st May 2005, 01:46 PM

Thank you all very much for this discussion!! I want to learn as much as possible, and this is the most info I've gotten on this particualr knife so far!
I'll be careful in cleaning it..I'm a little apprehensive of eroding it further..

31st May 2005, 01:39 AM	#2
Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 327	very interesting, 14" blade, "beak" instead of an elephant, the brass work on the ferrule is odd. the keris blade looks very old to me. wonder why the "spacer" between blade & ferrule, you would think the person that re-hilted it would have deepened the hole for the peksi, I would think if someone was going to use it for a weapon, they would have. if this keris did end up in Moroland, it might be Bugis, as the Moro were fond of the bigger keris they produced.

31st May 2005, 03:43 AM	#3
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Bill, i'm pretty sure this isn't a "beak" instead of an "elephant trunk", but a case which is very common where there "trunk" has eroded away. The blade doesn't look particularly Bugis to me, the blade is too narrow and the gonjo too long, but then you never know. I believe the "spacer" between the hilt and blade is overflowing pitch.

31st May 2005, 04:14 AM	#4
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	The blade has 11 gentle luks, with pamor wos wutah or scattered rice variation. Pamor wos wutah is believed to enhance the owner's material well being. A proper washing in lime juice would bring back the visibility of the pamor pattern. However, with the hilt secured with thick pitch, it may be difficult to remove the hilt for a normal bath. Alternatively, it could be done with the hilt attached in a vertical position.

31st May 2005, 01:46 PM	#5
littledirtnap Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 10	Thank you all very much for this discussion!! I want to learn as much as possible, and this is the most info I've gotten on this particualr knife so far! I'll be careful in cleaning it..I'm a little apprehensive of eroding it further..