Ron Gendhuru

Naga Sasra · 5th April 2010, 02:23 AM

Good question David,
At first glance and from a distance the blade look like a Ron Genduru, but the close ups show a lot of things going on inside the blade.

In my post I indicated my photos reflected what is normally thought of as the Ron Genduru pamor, which is supposed to be based on the Genduru leaves also called caryoto mitis and clumping fish tail palm.

The one that resembles Ron Genduru do not follow the lines of the leaf.

I see wengkon, and as ganjawulung noted lar gangsir, I also see a bit of Ron genduru and a bit of mayang mekar, with other words there are an awful lot going on in the blade, but frankly, I happens to like it.

I prefer not to elaborate any further on this, as when it come to attaching names to pamor and dapur as well, they can all be interpreted in many different ways and some empu had different ideas as to what a named pamor should look like, and the control of the pamor by the empu did certainly impact the finished product.

David · 5th April 2010, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Naga Sasra

I see wengkon, and as ganjawulung noted lar gangsir, I also see a bit of Ron genduru and a bit of mayang mekar, with other words there are an awful lot going on in the blade, but frankly, I happens to like it.

I happen to like it quite a bit too. I guess what i am trying to figure out is whether or not this work has followed any particular pakem or if it is the work of a creative pandai. It looks to me to be very skilled, but fairly recent work. Any way you cut it though i find it a very appealing keris.

Jean · 7th April 2010, 01:18 PM

Hi gentlemen,
A keris with pamor Ron Genduru wengkon from my collection.
Best regards
Jean

BluErf · 7th April 2010, 03:50 PM

Hey Marco,

That is one really stunning ron genduru/lar gangsir keris you have here!

Gavin Nugent · 7th June 2023, 11:48 AM

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=28924

Just added for reference.

Not as refined as that in post #25, but of similar blade style and pamor overall.

Richard Furrer · 8th June 2023, 03:52 PM

This is one of my favorite Pamor variations. The skills to do it well with hand tools is impressive. Yours, Ric

A. G. Maisey · 8th June 2023, 09:38 PM

Ric, the traditional belief is that it took an mpu a lifetime to learn how to produce Ron Duru pamor, and that he made his first & only Ron Duru just before he died.

When Pauzan Pusposukadgo made his first Ron Duru a couple of his friends asked him if he was getting ready to leave this world.

Pauzan was a Surakarta Kraton empu, he passed in 2014, I forget when he made his first Ron Duru, but it was probably around 1990. At that time the process had been forgotten, Pauzan worked out how to produce Ron Duru by experimenting with plasticene.

7th April 2010, 01:18 PM	#3
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hi gentlemen, A keris with pamor Ron Genduru wengkon from my collection. Best regards Jean Attached Images

5th April 2010, 02:23 AM	#1
Naga Sasra Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Boca Raton, Florida, USA Posts: 108	Good question David, At first glance and from a distance the blade look like a Ron Genduru, but the close ups show a lot of things going on inside the blade. In my post I indicated my photos reflected what is normally thought of as the Ron Genduru pamor, which is supposed to be based on the Genduru leaves also called caryoto mitis and clumping fish tail palm. The one that resembles Ron Genduru do not follow the lines of the leaf. I see wengkon, and as ganjawulung noted lar gangsir, I also see a bit of Ron genduru and a bit of mayang mekar, with other words there are an awful lot going on in the blade, but frankly, I happens to like it. I prefer not to elaborate any further on this, as when it come to attaching names to pamor and dapur as well, they can all be interpreted in many different ways and some empu had different ideas as to what a named pamor should look like, and the control of the pamor by the empu did certainly impact the finished product.

7th April 2010, 03:50 PM	#4
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Hey Marco, That is one really stunning ron genduru/lar gangsir keris you have here!

7th June 2023, 11:48 AM	#5
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=28924 Just added for reference. Not as refined as that in post #25, but of similar blade style and pamor overall.

8th June 2023, 03:52 PM	#6
Richard Furrer Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin Posts: 163	This is one of my favorite Pamor variations. The skills to do it well with hand tools is impressive. Yours, Ric

8th June 2023, 09:38 PM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,047	Ric, the traditional belief is that it took an mpu a lifetime to learn how to produce Ron Duru pamor, and that he made his first & only Ron Duru just before he died. When Pauzan Pusposukadgo made his first Ron Duru a couple of his friends asked him if he was getting ready to leave this world. Pauzan was a Surakarta Kraton empu, he passed in 2014, I forget when he made his first Ron Duru, but it was probably around 1990. At that time the process had been forgotten, Pauzan worked out how to produce Ron Duru by experimenting with plasticene.