Weird sword for comments, pls.

Maurice · 4th March 2010, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Have you noticed that you guard resembles the Sundanese variation of the Dutch hunting daggers?
But the elephant trunk doesn't look Javanese to me?

Yes, the so called Tjikeroe swords have also such guard.
However the guard at my piece is not that firm. I wouldn't be happy having my hand behind it when the opponent makes a heavy blow at this guard.

I guess it is a weird piece, but as we now have seen there are several of them. All with that strange "sumatran" look elephant trunk, "moluccan" style handle, "Malaysian" bladeshape, and the Javanese handguard........

Maybe when most of them acquired in the Netherlands, there is a possibility that they were made for the Dutch people back than to take with them as trophies?

migueldiaz · 4th March 2010, 12:23 PM

dear all,

many thanks for all the replies!

the blade is not mine, it's a friend's. thus i cannot really describe it in some more detail (as i have not seen it yet). but it's supposedly 24 inches (61 cm) long.

thanks again to all ...

p.s. - i never realized until now (after seeing the great pics above) that there is indeed after all such a blade form (a combination of diverse elements, like some sort of a bladesmith's experimental cut-and-paste job!)

VANDOO · 4th March 2010, 03:19 PM

NOW THAT WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION AND THERE ARE SEVERAL SPECIMINS THERE WILL BE A BETTER CHANCE OF FINDING WHERE THEY ORIGINATED. I HAD SUSPECTED IT WAS A ONE OF A KIND HOME MADE ITEM BASED ON MORO BUT WAS WRONG.

IT WOULD NOW APPEAR TO BE A WEAPON CARRIED BY SOME SPECIFIC GROUP AND LIKELY UNDER DUTCH CONTROL IN THE PAST. I THINK THEY WERE MADE FOR USE NOT JUST TO SELL AS SOUVINEERS. THE NUMBER OF ISLANDS SCATTERED OVER A LARGE AREA RULED BY THE DUTCH MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT TO FIND THEIR ORIGIN BUT IT IS A GOOD PLACE TO START. ITS REALLY NEAT TO FIND THERE IS MORE THAN ONE OF SOMETHING I HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE.

Sajen · 4th March 2010, 05:16 PM

Very interesting swords. The hilt remember to the hilt of my Halmahera sword and the "all-over-shape" of the blade look very similar to a Pade blade. Only the elephant trunk have a sumatran touch like Michael write before.

Detlef

Bill · 4th March 2010, 05:47 PM

Similarities of the sword are striking; as well the slight variations.
Appears to be multi-generations of craftsmanship from the same village.

VVV · 4th March 2010, 09:29 PM

Here are some more pictures of mine.
As you can see it has additional dot-motifs on the blade.

Detlef, I don't see how the blade looks like a Pade?

Michael

ThePepperSkull · 4th March 2010, 09:33 PM

perhaps the pommel can give us some insight into this partoicular blade's origins? Which culture/region of S.E.A. has blades of other styles with hollowed out pommels?

I look foreward to how this whole situations pans out. It was an interesting revelation to me when more than one of these came out of the woodwork and it ended up not being a one-of-a-kind.

Very interesting.

Sajen · 4th March 2010, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Here are some more pictures of mine.
As you can see it has additional dot-motifs on the blade.

Detlef, I don't see how the blade looks like a Pade?

Michael

Yes, you are right, after the second view it's not similar.

Maybe I am overworked in the moment.

4th March 2010, 05:16 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,212	Very interesting swords. The hilt remember to the hilt of my Halmahera sword and the "all-over-shape" of the blade look very similar to a Pade blade. Only the elephant trunk have a sumatran touch like Michael write before. Detlef Attached Images

4th March 2010, 09:29 PM	#6
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Here are some more pictures of mine. As you can see it has additional dot-motifs on the blade. Detlef, I don't see how the blade looks like a Pade? Michael Attached Images

4th March 2010, 12:23 PM	#2
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	dear all, many thanks for all the replies! the blade is not mine, it's a friend's. thus i cannot really describe it in some more detail (as i have not seen it yet). but it's supposedly 24 inches (61 cm) long. thanks again to all ... p.s. - i never realized until now (after seeing the great pics above) that there is indeed after all such a blade form (a combination of diverse elements, like some sort of a bladesmith's experimental cut-and-paste job!)

4th March 2010, 03:19 PM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	NOW THAT WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION AND THERE ARE SEVERAL SPECIMINS THERE WILL BE A BETTER CHANCE OF FINDING WHERE THEY ORIGINATED. I HAD SUSPECTED IT WAS A ONE OF A KIND HOME MADE ITEM BASED ON MORO BUT WAS WRONG. IT WOULD NOW APPEAR TO BE A WEAPON CARRIED BY SOME SPECIFIC GROUP AND LIKELY UNDER DUTCH CONTROL IN THE PAST. I THINK THEY WERE MADE FOR USE NOT JUST TO SELL AS SOUVINEERS. THE NUMBER OF ISLANDS SCATTERED OVER A LARGE AREA RULED BY THE DUTCH MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT TO FIND THEIR ORIGIN BUT IT IS A GOOD PLACE TO START. ITS REALLY NEAT TO FIND THERE IS MORE THAN ONE OF SOMETHING I HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE.

4th March 2010, 05:47 PM	#5
Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 327	Similarities of the sword are striking; as well the slight variations. Appears to be multi-generations of craftsmanship from the same village.

4th March 2010, 09:33 PM	#7
ThePepperSkull Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 338	perhaps the pommel can give us some insight into this partoicular blade's origins? Which culture/region of S.E.A. has blades of other styles with hollowed out pommels? I look foreward to how this whole situations pans out. It was an interesting revelation to me when more than one of these came out of the woodwork and it ended up not being a one-of-a-kind. Very interesting.