turkish ottoman officers sword writing

graeme gt · 18th January 2010, 05:50 PM

Hi Mavi,I had the same or very similar years ago i was under the impression that it was Turkish 1WW .I thought mine was a cut down full sized sword used as a trench knife or a side arm but i could be wrong .

erlikhan · 18th January 2010, 10:11 PM

Hi. it is a ww1 period Turkish military sword. i know it as not infantry but artillery officers sword.They were produced in several (at least 3) different lengths with the same scabbards and hilt,and with differing steel qualities. Plus,there are a few models more,which were not produced in Turkey but imported from Germany ,having blades with German maker marks. All of them were straight. However,only once I met a sample with curved,strong blade, again with the same hilt model and the same inscription. Perhaps was a private order.. I dont read Arabic alphabet,but as far as I know the inscription writes "Allah bizimledir" in Turkish meaning "Allah(God) is with us".

regards

katana · 1st February 2010, 02:58 PM

Hi Mavi,
have now got the Turkish officers sword I mentioned earlier. Good quality steel and a horn handle. I have posted this on the European Armoury Forum, in case you are interested

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...6572#post96572

Regards David

mavi1970 · 6th February 2010, 02:01 PM

David,

nice sword, congrats on your purchase. there was another one on sale on flea bay that just ended that i missed and went quite reasonably for the economy now. I wonder if your blade will clean, but you are lucky with the rhino handle, mine is wood, but the blade is still shiny with no pits. i am lucky in that regard.
enjoy

katana · 7th February 2010, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mavi1970

........ there was another one on sale on flea bay that just ended that i missed and went quite reasonably for the economy now.....

Hi Mavi,
thank you for your comments

I get the impression (from you) that these swords are no longer 'plentiful'. If this is the case.....do you have any idea why ?
Was this the sword you were refering to.......
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Regards David

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mavi1970 · 10th February 2010, 02:08 AM

Yes,
that was the sword I was referring too. Reasonable price. I had not seen many for sale for years, then in the last bit there has been quite a few for sale. Could be the economy. Still after that elusive ottoman/turkish kilij I want, but have not been able to afford, and probablyu never can.

Lee · 25th August 2010, 06:32 PM

Received by e-mail:

Salaam,
This is Efdaluddin Kilic from Istanbul. I am a calligrapher and sort of expert on Ottoman texts. I have been asked about a sword this morning by one of my friends and while searching I came across with your website. The same sword on http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11300 is in front of me at home now. And to be a sort of help to your forum the inscription reads in Turkish but with the Islamic letters ¨ ALLAH BIZIMLE¨ and means ¨Allah (God) is with us¨.
Cordially,
Efdaluddin Kilic
www.efdaluddin.com/

25th August 2010, 06:32 PM	#7
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 970	Help from Istanbul Received by e-mail: Salaam, This is Efdaluddin Kilic from Istanbul. I am a calligrapher and sort of expert on Ottoman texts. I have been asked about a sword this morning by one of my friends and while searching I came across with your website. The same sword on http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11300 is in front of me at home now. And to be a sort of help to your forum the inscription reads in Turkish but with the Islamic letters ¨ ALLAH BIZIMLE¨ and means ¨Allah (God) is with us¨. Cordially, Efdaluddin Kilic www.efdaluddin.com/

18th January 2010, 05:50 PM	#1
graeme gt Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 97	Hi Mavi,I had the same or very similar years ago i was under the impression that it was Turkish 1WW .I thought mine was a cut down full sized sword used as a trench knife or a side arm but i could be wrong .

18th January 2010, 10:11 PM	#2
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	Hi. it is a ww1 period Turkish military sword. i know it as not infantry but artillery officers sword.They were produced in several (at least 3) different lengths with the same scabbards and hilt,and with differing steel qualities. Plus,there are a few models more,which were not produced in Turkey but imported from Germany ,having blades with German maker marks. All of them were straight. However,only once I met a sample with curved,strong blade, again with the same hilt model and the same inscription. Perhaps was a private order.. I dont read Arabic alphabet,but as far as I know the inscription writes "Allah bizimledir" in Turkish meaning "Allah(God) is with us". regards

1st February 2010, 02:58 PM	#3
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Hi Mavi, have now got the Turkish officers sword I mentioned earlier. Good quality steel and a horn handle. I have posted this on the European Armoury Forum, in case you are interested http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...6572#post96572 Regards David

6th February 2010, 02:01 PM	#4
mavi1970 Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: canada Posts: 90	David, nice sword, congrats on your purchase. there was another one on sale on flea bay that just ended that i missed and went quite reasonably for the economy now. I wonder if your blade will clean, but you are lucky with the rhino handle, mine is wood, but the blade is still shiny with no pits. i am lucky in that regard. enjoy

10th February 2010, 02:08 AM	#6
mavi1970 Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: canada Posts: 90	Yes, that was the sword I was referring too. Reasonable price. I had not seen many for sale for years, then in the last bit there has been quite a few for sale. Could be the economy. Still after that elusive ottoman/turkish kilij I want, but have not been able to afford, and probablyu never can.