Pls comment on this Yataghan

ariel · 12th January 2010, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Emanuel

Here is a yataghan with what appears to be a blade from the same workshop - notice the very similar decoration http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=403

Emanuel

I am not sure it is the same workshop: this decoration is pretty standard. If one looks in the Astvatsaturyan's book, there are at least 10-15 virtually identical examples.

Yannis · 12th January 2010, 07:40 AM

The un-readable script is not necessary a minus. It could be plus. I have read that there were in ottoman era some unsuccessful tries to write balkan languages (greek, bulgarian etc) with arabic letters. There was also the opposite. Turkish words with greek letters.
It is common also to see unreadable scripts because the smith did know how to write, he was just copied another blade or a piece of paper

Hotspur · 12th January 2010, 03:01 PM

The round mark with a short tail has been mentioned to me as a more general mark with the meaning "Ya Ali" and can be found on both blades and apparently firearms as well. I would appreciate more background on that myself, as I have an yataghan with the mark and place the blades and arms with the ya ali as Turkish. In some further reading, the phrase meant as a plea to bravery or strength. So, apparently not the mark of one maker but more of a general statement. In pursuing mine, I had concluded it to be dated roughly 1800 and of northern Turkey in origin.

Below is my blade.

Cheers

GC

Dom · 12th January 2010, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotspur

The round mark with a short tail has been mentioned to me as a more general mark with the meaning "Ya Ali"

Hi "Hotspur"
frankly sorry, if what you are going to read will disappoints you
but in the circle, there's only one (1) word : ALI ... no more

Best regards

à +

Dom

Hotspur · 13th January 2010, 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dom

Hi "Hotspur"
frankly sorry, if what you are going to read will disappoints you
but in the circle, there's only one (1) word : ALI ... no more

Best regards

à +

Dom

Hi Dom,

I am not dissapointed at all except to maybe point out that it was mentioned me as a meaning for the mark on arms, not a literal translation of the character itself. Also mentioned here, as a good many that have been listed with this mark and have done so to inticate it as the maker of the blade and not the purpose of the mark.

Cheers

Glen C

Yannis · 13th January 2010, 09:14 AM

I used the damn dictionary. The word is illegible not un-readable

But I know I have your sympathy

12th January 2010, 03:01 PM	#3
Hotspur Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nipmuc USA Posts: 535	The round mark with a short tail has been mentioned to me as a more general mark with the meaning "Ya Ali" and can be found on both blades and apparently firearms as well. I would appreciate more background on that myself, as I have an yataghan with the mark and place the blades and arms with the ya ali as Turkish. In some further reading, the phrase meant as a plea to bravery or strength. So, apparently not the mark of one maker but more of a general statement. In pursuing mine, I had concluded it to be dated roughly 1800 and of northern Turkey in origin. Below is my blade. Cheers GC Attached Images

12th January 2010, 07:40 AM	#2
Yannis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 479	The un-readable script is not necessary a minus. It could be plus. I have read that there were in ottoman era some unsuccessful tries to write balkan languages (greek, bulgarian etc) with arabic letters. There was also the opposite. Turkish words with greek letters. It is common also to see unreadable scripts because the smith did know how to write, he was just copied another blade or a piece of paper

13th January 2010, 09:14 AM	#6
Yannis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 479	I used the damn dictionary. The word is illegible not un-readable But I know I have your sympathy