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Rivkin · 19th May 2005, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

86. Helmet. Circassian, 1785-86. Made by Ali, son of Khadzji Baki. Steel, silver, textile, braid; gilding, Niello, engraving. Height 20.2; diameter 17.1. Origin: prior to 1926 – Marble Palace(?), Leningrad; after 1926 – Eremitage. Inv. No. 3331. Exhibited: Poland, 1978. Bibliography: Bron Kaukazu, page 20, no 5.

It's correct - Marble Palace, after 1926 - Hermitage.

Very interesting is attributing the ownership to Inajat Krim Girej Bek.
Does "Krim Girej Bek" mean "Girey, bek of Crimea" ? Then it's most likely that the owner was a crimean tatar (there were crimean circassians, but Girey is a tatar ruling family). The production of helmet then is most likely Kabarda - crimean khans used to send their children to Kabarda to study (atalychestvo).

Rivkin · 29th May 2005, 07:12 PM

I have to make a small correction - recently I've read some materials on tamga (coat of arms) of circassian clans. It seems that tremendous number of such clans beared tamga symbolizing their descent - typical ingush, osethian, georgian symbols are in no way can be considered as rare for circassian tamgas. Therefore I have to say that it's probably not enough to see an osethian symbol on the above mentioned helmet to attribute it as osethian - it can still be circassian, just bearing a tamge with an "osethian-like" symbol.

Btw I've just realized the name of this symbol - it's a threefoil swastika, so it's not that uncommon with other caucasian nations, but still originally it's more of an osethian one.

To those who love caucasian-celtic connections it's also known as celtic spiral.

Rivkin · 11th March 2006, 06:10 AM

I stand corrected - while Khan-Girey family descents from crimean Gireys, they were Bzhedug (circassian tribe) princes; I guess it may that son or grandson of this Girey, Khan Girey born in 1808 was a famous circassian writer/philosopher.

29th May 2005, 07:12 PM	#2
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	I have to make a small correction - recently I've read some materials on tamga (coat of arms) of circassian clans. It seems that tremendous number of such clans beared tamga symbolizing their descent - typical ingush, osethian, georgian symbols are in no way can be considered as rare for circassian tamgas. Therefore I have to say that it's probably not enough to see an osethian symbol on the above mentioned helmet to attribute it as osethian - it can still be circassian, just bearing a tamge with an "osethian-like" symbol. Btw I've just realized the name of this symbol - it's a threefoil swastika, so it's not that uncommon with other caucasian nations, but still originally it's more of an osethian one. To those who love caucasian-celtic connections it's also known as celtic spiral. Last edited by Rivkin; 29th May 2005 at 08:37 PM.

11th March 2006, 06:10 AM	#3
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	I stand corrected - while Khan-Girey family descents from crimean Gireys, they were Bzhedug (circassian tribe) princes; I guess it may that son or grandson of this Girey, Khan Girey born in 1808 was a famous circassian writer/philosopher.