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6th December 2009, 03:19 PM
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An other sickle from Kelantan Malaysia named there a Parang.
For the next one I do not have any name and it looks essentially as a sickle . It is also coming from Malaysia. Can anyone tell me more about it? Thanks, regards Michel |
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6th December 2009, 03:40 PM
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The following sickle is definitely a tool with an angle between the blade and the handle. The sharp edge is on the exterior of the blade. The interior of the blade being blunt and thicker.
No name, no origin. Purchased in Malaysia The next one is peculiar, I have no name for it, and do not know its origin, could be a sacrificial knife ? Purchased in Indonesia. Any information would be welcome. Last edited by Michel; 6th December 2009 at 03:53 PM. |
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6th December 2009, 03:51 PM
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This last one is quite amazing. It is a goat(?) horn to which the blade has been fixed. The sharp edge is on the exterior, at the base of the blade is en enlargement to allow the thumb positioning. Nicely decorated with silver. A rice cutting tool ?
Origin : Malaysia, Name : unknown Every information is welcomed. Regards Michel |
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6th December 2009, 04:50 PM
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Awesome pieces Michel! Thanks for posting these.
I wouldn't call all of them sickle though as many have a convex edge while the sickle has a concave one. The Dacian falx and the Thracian Rhomphaia are additional examples of such weapons. Here is also a Spanish sword supposedly used against cavalry that features convex and concave edges. Emanuel |
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7th December 2009, 09:11 AM
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Hi Emanuel,
Thanks you for your message and the links. I did not know that sickles had to have concave edge. How do you name cutting tools with convex edges ? In French, my mother tongue, I do not recall a word for sickles with convex cutting edge. Thanks for the information Michel |
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7th December 2009, 01:52 PM
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Hi Michel,
Sickle = serpe ou faucille, toutes les deux ont la lame concave, non? In English I think "machete" covers most kinds of large utilitarian blades. Sickle, bill-hook and scythe cover the concave blades. For arms, sabre, cutlass and "scimitar" all represent blade with convex cutting edge. I think most kinds of SE Asian klewangs would generally be termed machetes in English, regardless of curvature, thickness or blade profile. Cheers, Emanuel |
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7th December 2009, 02:15 PM
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Hi Michel,
the picture in your second post is almost certainly a Parang Ginah http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3767 Regards David |
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7th December 2009, 08:50 PM
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I think it depends on the version of English that you use. I agree that a sickle has to have the concave edge sharpened. These are single-handed tools primarily used for harvesting wheat, and the name has been used for others, such as the kama used to harvest rice and incidentally as a weapon.. Something similar to the kama is called a crane's bill, and of course, the two-handed version is called the scythe. In America, most of the large utilitarian blades are machetes, but that doesn't mean that any utilitarian blade in America is called a machete. In England, at least 100 years ago, they used bills/brush hooks/bill hooks, which were typically concave (although some were sharp on both sides), especially for hedging, but also for light pruning jobs. Two-handed bills (typically double-edged) are called blank blades or sling blades at major hardware stores in the US. The french name is fauchard, interestingly, we're back in falx land here. In Australia, machete-like blades are called bush knives. Probably there are sickles and the rest out there somewhere, but I don't know about them. I wouldn't be surprised if Indonesian goloks aren't percolating in as we speak. When in doubt, call it a knife, or call it a saber if you want to emphasize its military aspects. Best, F |
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18th March 2011, 06:06 PM
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En France la serpe est concave, etroit, ventré et limande (c'est à dire affutée sur la cote convexe...) Woodcutting billhooks from France can have concave, straight, bellied or convex blades - they are not all only sharpened on the inner edge... Images d'une serpe à betterave française, marquée Creuset Saut du Tarn Garanti (a french beet knife made by Creuset from Saut du Tarn) |
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18th March 2011, 09:38 PM
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wow! Super cool thread. I have started a new job, am poisoned by toxic sewer gas/black mold, am running on pills, have slept 4 1/2 hours in the last three days, so state of exhaution, but I am bound to have things to say later
 Very nice!!!
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8th December 2009, 07:55 AM
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very nice collection you have there. The second knife is maybe a ceremonial knife for cutting the umbilical cord, I have seen a similar knife by a friend, also collected in Indonesia. Regards, Detlef |
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8th December 2009, 03:34 PM
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Hi Detlef,
Interesting suggestion: a ceremonial knife to cut umbilical cord. I have made a quick search on Google but found nothing of interest. I will keep looking ! Thank you. Emanuel, Is your mother tongue French ? Are you from Quebec and live in English speaking Canada ? You seem to be at ease with French ! If we come back to the N° 3 tool (the one with a brass handle) it is really a convex cutting tool for which I cannot find a reason to the convex sharpened edge. A slashing movement would certainly cut but push away the grass or branches. Now if you want only to cut, it will work with a slicing movement. It is reasonably thick at the base (6mm) and could sustain heavy blow but than the blade is too wide and fragile. (2mm at the cutting edge) The N° 4 has this very clear angle between the blade and the handle. For me in view of facilitating the slashing movement parallel to earth. But why this really convex blade with more than 180° cutting edge ? The n° 5 is nice looking but the horn come in to your arm if you try to cut with wrist movement. Strange ! I realize that the forum is full of members having experience with arms but much less with agricultural tool ! Thanks to all for their input Cheers Michel |
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20th December 2009, 09:30 PM
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Don't know anything about this one, but it took my eye. Serrated blade, 15" approx overall length
 
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21st December 2009, 12:34 AM
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21st December 2009, 12:39 AM
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Yes mate, what the hell is it? And what was either side? did I not notice? Gene |
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