pamor for comment

Rick · 29th November 2009, 09:57 PM

Now that's entertainment !

Always something interesting coming out of Madura; that is for sure .

brekele · 30th November 2009, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Always something interesting coming out of Madura; that is for sure .

Agreed!

Many many Pande in Madura (Aeng Tong Tong) or villages arround it making keris. From low quality until high quality. Not just all kind art of keris. I heard that a pande starting making other kind of swords too. For example YATAGHAN with tripple fullers and pamor lar gangsir, complete with arabic words that carved and made of silver

rasjid · 30th November 2009, 08:59 AM

This picture was taken November 2008 when I was in Aeng Tong Tong.

Just to show what they can do, all you need just asked.

BluErf · 30th November 2009, 01:40 PM

Hmmm... reminds me of the movie Dark City...

Well, there's a way to float anyone's boat...

David · 30th November 2009, 02:12 PM

Welcome Sirek. I am not sure that the comments so far have been particularly helpful to you. To be a little more direct, what you have on your keris i would not call pamor in that it is a decorative element that has been added after forging, perhaps to somewhat mimic the effect Udan Mas (golden rain) pamor. This is more akin to kinatah than pamor, the process of adding gold design elements to decorate a blade after forging, but this is not done with gold nor the considerable amount of artistry of good kinatah. As has been pointed out they are trying out some possible directions on contemporary keris from Madura these days.

sirek · 30th November 2009, 06:56 PM

Thanks for the comment,

the photo from Rasjid shows similar circles, and it seems that everything is possible, and I see it now as a form of artistic design.
I know that it is not everyone type of keris.

but it works for me.
Perhaps I can always use it to hypnotize someone with it

One of the reasons I bought him was that the carving was from a good quality and it cames whith a nice hardwood keris board that goes with it.
i believe that the keris of Madura is often a real work of art, but sometimes with olmost exaggerated decorations including the woodcarving.

David · 30th November 2009, 08:04 PM

That is indeed a nice keris board Sirek and the carving of hilt and sheath appears nice.
I think the idea that everything is possible these days in the keris world might have some truth to it, but for many the idea that anything goes is not always so valid.

In other worlds many collectors are still seeking keris that maintain a certain amount of integrity and adhere to the parameters of what a "real" keris is and are seeking keris that fall into one of the established "pakems" even if they are newly made contemporary blades. New invention in the keris world is not particularly well received by the collectoring community, sometimes, IMO, for good reason.
What i think the makers of your keris were doing was to provide a post-forging short-cut to the effect of pamor Udan Mas (golden rain). I have attached an image of what this might look like when actually done as a pamor pattern. This is not nearly the best example of this pamor's execution, just the most representational example i could find on the web at short notice to show you what this design looks like as a pamor pattern.

30th November 2009, 08:59 AM	#3
rasjid Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Jakarta - Indonesia Posts: 114	Madura Keris This picture was taken November 2008 when I was in Aeng Tong Tong. Just to show what they can do, all you need just asked. Attached Images

30th November 2009, 06:56 PM	#6
sirek Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 171	Thanks for the comment, the photo from Rasjid shows similar circles, and it seems that everything is possible, and I see it now as a form of artistic design. I know that it is not everyone type of keris. but it works for me. Perhaps I can always use it to hypnotize someone with it One of the reasons I bought him was that the carving was from a good quality and it cames whith a nice hardwood keris board that goes with it. i believe that the keris of Madura is often a real work of art, but sometimes with olmost exaggerated decorations including the woodcarving. Attached Images

30th November 2009, 08:04 PM	#7
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,228	That is indeed a nice keris board Sirek and the carving of hilt and sheath appears nice. I think the idea that everything is possible these days in the keris world might have some truth to it, but for many the idea that anything goes is not always so valid. In other worlds many collectors are still seeking keris that maintain a certain amount of integrity and adhere to the parameters of what a "real" keris is and are seeking keris that fall into one of the established "pakems" even if they are newly made contemporary blades. New invention in the keris world is not particularly well received by the collectoring community, sometimes, IMO, for good reason. What i think the makers of your keris were doing was to provide a post-forging short-cut to the effect of pamor Udan Mas (golden rain). I have attached an image of what this might look like when actually done as a pamor pattern. This is not nearly the best example of this pamor's execution, just the most representational example i could find on the web at short notice to show you what this design looks like as a pamor pattern. Attached Images

29th November 2009, 09:57 PM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	Now that's entertainment ! Always something interesting coming out of Madura; that is for sure .

30th November 2009, 01:40 PM	#4
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Hmmm... reminds me of the movie Dark City... Well, there's a way to float anyone's boat...

30th November 2009, 02:12 PM	#5
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,228	Welcome Sirek. I am not sure that the comments so far have been particularly helpful to you. To be a little more direct, what you have on your keris i would not call pamor in that it is a decorative element that has been added after forging, perhaps to somewhat mimic the effect Udan Mas (golden rain) pamor. This is more akin to kinatah than pamor, the process of adding gold design elements to decorate a blade after forging, but this is not done with gold nor the considerable amount of artistry of good kinatah. As has been pointed out they are trying out some possible directions on contemporary keris from Madura these days.