Weird numbers on a shamshir

Jim McDougall · 30th October 2009, 07:29 PM

Bonk!!!!

Uh..Royston, that makes too much sense!!! Theres gotta be something mystical here .
Well done!!!
All the best,
Jim

Rick · 30th October 2009, 08:18 PM

Then it's just coincidence that the numbers 1 to 9 are in there with no repeats .

Atlantia · 30th October 2009, 09:45 PM

I would think its just a simple failure on the part of the engraver to understand the numerals.
In the same way that westerners wear T-Shirts with japanese logos on them that turn out ot be gobbledegook, and Japanese teenagers wear ones with 'english' logos that range from misspelling to downright rude.
I would think the maker wanted to add a European inscription and something went wrong.
That said, I think the numerals look very early 19thC or earlier.

katana · 31st October 2009, 03:01 PM

Perhaps numerology is the key.....each number has individual significance and I assume that the order in which they are placed, in some way, fortifies their power / meaning ??

Interestingly the sequence begins with '1' ( God) and ends with '4'....which is suggested to signify God (in Eastern religions)...

http://encyclopedia.farlex.com/Master+Numbers+(Numerology)

Regards David

Norman McCormick · 31st October 2009, 04:12 PM

Hi,
The numerals certainly look 18th early 19th Century but whether they are contemporary with these times is difficult to say. I have to agree with Gene in that this seems similar to some pseudo Koranic inscriptions on blades, copied and etched/engraved with no particular knowledge of any meaning and therefore just a random sequence. I hope I'm wrong and someone can attribute some deeper substance to them.
Regards,
Norman.

30th October 2009, 07:29 PM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,300	Bonk!!!! Uh..Royston, that makes too much sense!!! Theres gotta be something mystical here . Well done!!! All the best, Jim

30th October 2009, 08:18 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	Then it's just coincidence that the numbers 1 to 9 are in there with no repeats .

30th October 2009, 09:45 PM	#3
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	I would think its just a simple failure on the part of the engraver to understand the numerals. In the same way that westerners wear T-Shirts with japanese logos on them that turn out ot be gobbledegook, and Japanese teenagers wear ones with 'english' logos that range from misspelling to downright rude. I would think the maker wanted to add a European inscription and something went wrong. That said, I think the numerals look very early 19thC or earlier.

31st October 2009, 03:01 PM	#4
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Perhaps numerology is the key.....each number has individual significance and I assume that the order in which they are placed, in some way, fortifies their power / meaning ?? Interestingly the sequence begins with '1' ( God) and ends with '4'....which is suggested to signify God (in Eastern religions)... http://encyclopedia.farlex.com/Master+Numbers+(Numerology) Regards David

31st October 2009, 04:12 PM	#5
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,618	Hi, The numerals certainly look 18th early 19th Century but whether they are contemporary with these times is difficult to say. I have to agree with Gene in that this seems similar to some pseudo Koranic inscriptions on blades, copied and etched/engraved with no particular knowledge of any meaning and therefore just a random sequence. I hope I'm wrong and someone can attribute some deeper substance to them. Regards, Norman.