Indonesian blade with 'Tjikeroeh' inscription

asomotif · 20th September 2009, 10:21 PM

Hello Sta94,

Here is a link to a thread showing some examples and some discussion about the origin / use.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=tjikeroeh

In this thread, 2 links to other threads.
You can also try the seach function for "tjikeroeh".

The turn up pretty frequently worldwide.
Your example seems like "average" quality to me. Is there a scabbard ?

Best regards,
Willem

Sajen · 20th September 2009, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

Hello Sta94,

Here is a link to a thread showing some examples and some discussion about the origin / use.
In this thread, 2 links to other threads.
You can also try the seach function for "tjikeroeh".

The turn up pretty frequently worldwide.
Your example seems like "average" quality to me. Is there a scabbard ?

Best regards,
Willem

Hi Willem,
you foget to give the link!

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen · 20th September 2009, 11:01 PM

This swords called Golok, your blade is very nice. But it seems like the hilt is from a newer date, please show us the sheat.

Regards,

sajen

sta94 · 21st September 2009, 09:03 AM

Hi guys, thanks so much for the additional info and the links. Lots of info in there, I'll be digesting them slowly.

So, you'd call this a Golok variant? I was initially thinking along the lines of Parang, seeing its similarity to a few photos of a Parang Nabur I saw recently. There is such a variety in SEAsian blade forms that it'll probably be a while before a beginner like me can sort them all out.

As for this sword, to my amateurish eyes, the hilt and the scabbard seem to be made of a similar kind of wood (don't know the wood type). One side of the scabbard is lighter color than the other. Also the scabbard and hilt look like they're of around the same age. Don't know if this means that they came with the original blade or if they were replaced around the same time. The tang does not come out of the end of the hilt though, unlike the examples I see in the links posted.

The first two photos I posted above shows the sword next to its wooden scabbard. I'm posting more pics below:

Amuk Murugul · 21st September 2009, 10:24 AM

Hullo everybody!

The blade appears to be made in the village/district of Tjikeroeh, which still exists today and is now spelt Cikeruh (any other form of current spelling is either born out of ignorance or a simple typo).
It appears to be of good quality, considering the era and the fact that the manufacturing was a small village operation, which also turned out everyday utensils (i.e. not an armourer). In fact, the operation was generally a sort of village cooperative, with different households being involved in different parts of the manufacturing process.
The blade was made at the end of the period when the village was producing swords for the colonial Dutch para-military/military (the Dutch shifted production of swords to Europe in 1898).

The motif and the clip-point suggests that it was probably made for a European and not as a run-of-the-mill product.
I call it a pedang as it does not follow the golok protocol.
The hilt and scabbard are also atypical for a local pedang.

Best,

sta94 · 21st September 2009, 12:51 PM

Hi Amuk, thanks for the additional info, much appreciated!

Henk · 21st September 2009, 05:28 PM

Because this type of daggers was made for the Dutch and after european standards I wouldn't call this nor a Golok nor a Pedang.

The shape of this dagger is more that of a Hartsvanger (Dutch) or as the Germans call it a Hirschfanger.

20th September 2009, 10:21 PM	#1
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,237	Hello Sta94, Here is a link to a thread showing some examples and some discussion about the origin / use. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=tjikeroeh In this thread, 2 links to other threads. You can also try the seach function for "tjikeroeh". The turn up pretty frequently worldwide. Your example seems like "average" quality to me. Is there a scabbard ? Best regards, Willem Last edited by asomotif; 20th September 2009 at 11:19 PM.

20th September 2009, 11:01 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,415	This swords called Golok, your blade is very nice. But it seems like the hilt is from a newer date, please show us the sheat. Regards, sajen

21st September 2009, 09:03 AM	#4
sta94 Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 16	Hi guys, thanks so much for the additional info and the links. Lots of info in there, I'll be digesting them slowly. So, you'd call this a Golok variant? I was initially thinking along the lines of Parang, seeing its similarity to a few photos of a Parang Nabur I saw recently. There is such a variety in SEAsian blade forms that it'll probably be a while before a beginner like me can sort them all out. As for this sword, to my amateurish eyes, the hilt and the scabbard seem to be made of a similar kind of wood (don't know the wood type). One side of the scabbard is lighter color than the other. Also the scabbard and hilt look like they're of around the same age. Don't know if this means that they came with the original blade or if they were replaced around the same time. The tang does not come out of the end of the hilt though, unlike the examples I see in the links posted. The first two photos I posted above shows the sword next to its wooden scabbard. I'm posting more pics below:

21st September 2009, 10:24 AM	#5
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 474	Hullo everybody! The blade appears to be made in the village/district of Tjikeroeh, which still exists today and is now spelt Cikeruh (any other form of current spelling is either born out of ignorance or a simple typo). It appears to be of good quality, considering the era and the fact that the manufacturing was a small village operation, which also turned out everyday utensils (i.e. not an armourer). In fact, the operation was generally a sort of village cooperative, with different households being involved in different parts of the manufacturing process. The blade was made at the end of the period when the village was producing swords for the colonial Dutch para-military/military (the Dutch shifted production of swords to Europe in 1898). The motif and the clip-point suggests that it was probably made for a European and not as a run-of-the-mill product. I call it a pedang as it does not follow the golok protocol. The hilt and scabbard are also atypical for a local pedang. Best,

21st September 2009, 12:51 PM	#6
sta94 Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 16	Hi Amuk, thanks for the additional info, much appreciated!

21st September 2009, 05:28 PM	#7
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Because this type of daggers was made for the Dutch and after european standards I wouldn't call this nor a Golok nor a Pedang. The shape of this dagger is more that of a Hartsvanger (Dutch) or as the Germans call it a Hirschfanger.