Pattani Naga Keris

BluErf · 17th September 2009, 04:14 PM

Likely to be Sulawesi, judging from the bulge in Gustav's keris sheath, and hilt.

David · 17th September 2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BluErf

Likely to be Sulawesi, judging from the bulge in Gustav's keris sheath, and hilt.

Sumatra was going to be my guess on Gustav's keris based on the style of the greneng, but i wouldn't place a bet on that.

As i know many of us are already aware, dress does not necessarily reveal the origin of the blade itself.

BluErf · 17th September 2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Sumatra was going to be my guess on Gustav's keris based on the style of the greneng, but i wouldn't place a bet on that.

As i know many of us are already aware, dress does not necessarily reveal the origin of the blade itself.

I cannot form any opinion about the blade...

Gustav · 17th September 2009, 04:21 PM

Hello Blu Erf,

could such greneng be expected from Sulawesi?

Gustav · 17th September 2009, 04:23 PM

I am always to late with my posts ... I need so much time to write on english

BluErf · 17th September 2009, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Gustav

Hello Blu Erf,

could such greneng be expected from Sulawesi?

Sulawesi kerises tend to have bigger greneng. The one on your blade is unusual for Sulawesi. I've seen some of these keris blades attributed to Sumbawa, but then again, this is not verifiable.

BluErf · 17th September 2009, 04:31 PM

But the question I'm interested in is whether the blades are tempered.

David · 17th September 2009, 04:33 PM

I based my observation on a Sumatra blade that i have that has very similar greneng both in form and size. I have rarely seen greneng on Sulawesi keris at all.

BluErf · 17th September 2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by David

I based my observation on a Sumatra blade that i have that has very similar greneng both in form and size. I have rarely seen greneng on Sulawesi keris at all.

I sold both my Sulawesi kerises with greneng. But I know my friend still has his.

Something like this example is quite typical.

http://tengkurizan.fotopic.net/c1074306.html

Gustav · 17th September 2009, 05:15 PM

Blu Erf,

the keris from Tengkurizan collection is descripted as Riau Bugis, but you are wright, such greneng recalls a "Sumbawa feeling". Is the hilt probably Banjarmasin?

Gustav · 17th September 2009, 05:22 PM

In any case, the greneng on my keris seems to be smaller then every bugis I have seen...

BluErf · 17th September 2009, 05:26 PM

Ah yes, I didn't notice the description

But I've not really seen such kerises from the Riau region.

I do not know where the hilt comes from.

David · 17th September 2009, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BluErf

I sold both my Sulawesi kerises with greneng. But I know my friend still has his.

Something like this example is quite typical.

http://tengkurizan.fotopic.net/c1074306.html

But even if this were a "typical" example you must admit that it is not really all that "common" to find greneng on Sulawesi keris.
And it is nothing like Gustav's example so i am curious why you think his keris is from Sulawesi. Is this just based on the dress form?

BluErf · 18th September 2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by David

But even if this were a "typical" example you must admit that it is not really all that "common" to find greneng on Sulawesi keris.
And it is nothing like Gustav's example so i am curious why you think his keris is from Sulawesi. Is this just based on the dress form?

Yep, based on the dress. I have no idea about the blade, really...

17th September 2009, 04:14 PM	#1
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Likely to be Sulawesi, judging from the bulge in Gustav's keris sheath, and hilt.

17th September 2009, 04:21 PM	#4
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	Hello Blu Erf, could such greneng be expected from Sulawesi?

17th September 2009, 04:23 PM	#5
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	I am always to late with my posts ... I need so much time to write on english

17th September 2009, 04:31 PM	#7
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	But the question I'm interested in is whether the blades are tempered.

17th September 2009, 04:33 PM	#8
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,229	I based my observation on a Sumatra blade that i have that has very similar greneng both in form and size. I have rarely seen greneng on Sulawesi keris at all.

17th September 2009, 05:15 PM	#10
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	Blu Erf, the keris from Tengkurizan collection is descripted as Riau Bugis, but you are wright, such greneng recalls a "Sumbawa feeling". Is the hilt probably Banjarmasin?

17th September 2009, 05:22 PM	#11
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	In any case, the greneng on my keris seems to be smaller then every bugis I have seen...

17th September 2009, 05:26 PM	#12
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Ah yes, I didn't notice the description But I've not really seen such kerises from the Riau region. I do not know where the hilt comes from.