Ethnographic folding knives

A. G. Maisey · 16th September 2009, 09:03 AM

That multi tool is a knife by definition, and a bladed implement.

Carry is definitely prohibited in NSW, Australia , unless you have an acceptable reason. An acceptable reason would be for the preparation and consumption of food --- pretty much anything other than this would not be acceptable.

kronckew · 16th September 2009, 09:28 AM

here you can carry a 3in. edge or smaller non-locking folder without a good reason, as long as you do not take it out and use it in an offensive manner (self defence is still offensive according to the law). just taking out out to cut something can be considered 'threatening' if some member of the public gets frightened.

you can carry a fixed blade or locking knife only with good reason, being a chef would be one, or being in a profession where you regularly cut open boxes is another. going fishing would allow you to carry a filleting knife in the tackle box.

however, you must proceed DIRECTLY from your home to the place of the activity, if you stop for fuel, for a wee, or to pick up a take-away, you have then broken the reason and can be prosecuted for carrying an offensive weapon, even if it was locked up in your tackle box, glove box, etc. if you enter a prohibited zone, a public building, court, subway system, train, school, etc. even the under 3in. otherwise legal carry suddenly is not legal.

the police get to decide if your reason is a good one, and may confiscate your knife, and arrest you if they do not like it. you may get off a few months later,after court and lawyers fees, etc. you won't get your knife back tho. and you might not get off. if the non-locking folding knife is borderline, ie. the edge is 2 7/8" and there is a 1/4 unsharpened ricasso, if the cop decides he don't like it, you can get arrested and argue it in court.

i heard of a guy with a little under 1 inch keychain knife that was not even sharpened, it had a button lock and looked like a flick knife, cop noticed it on a traffic stop when it was dangling from the ignition. he got arrested, and convicted of carrying an offensive weapon, tho he did get a suspended sentence and a fine on top of the other legal hassles and expenses instead of jail - and of course he's now a convicted felon.

ah, well, 'nuff said on the subject, we best not stray into politics...

Rick · 16th September 2009, 06:04 PM

Might as well add a little Klaas to this thread .

A Kissing Crane .

Love the green scales !

ThePepperSkull · 7th June 2010, 08:20 AM

I am surprised that nobody mentioned the Higonokami

Andrew · 9th June 2010, 02:32 AM

Here's a recent addition I picked up from OA. This is what Artzi (Avner?) had to say:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oriental-Arms

The origin and use of this type of folding knifes is not very clear and there are numerous suggestions: Ranging from knives to clean opium pipes to knives for cutting and inscribing on dates leaves. The origin is most probably from the Indo-China area. It has a 3 inches blade, hollow ground, 3 inches back spike and ivory handle with engraved inscription. handle. 6 ½ inches fully opened. Very good condition.

This is clearly from SEA. My impression is Thai based on the blade profile, but if someone (PUFF?

) were able to translate the inscription on the handle, we would surely learn more.

Andrew

Rick · 9th June 2010, 02:38 AM

Just kinda found its way to you unnoticed.

Lucky Guy .

Andrew · 9th June 2010, 02:48 AM

lol.

Amazingly, this is likely the first purchase I've made in over a year!

Nathaniel · 10th June 2010, 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew

Here's a recent addition I picked up from OA. This is what Artzi (Avner?) had to say:

This is clearly from SEA. My impression is Thai based on the blade profile, but if someone (PUFF?

) were able to translate the inscription on the handle, we would surely learn more.

Andrew

Andrew, Just saw your post. The script is not Thai...not sure what it is

PUFF · 10th June 2010, 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew

Here's a recent addition I picked up from OA. This is what Artzi (Avner?) had to say:

This is clearly from SEA. My impression is Thai based on the blade profile, but if someone (PUFF?

) were able to translate the inscription on the handle, we would surely learn more.

Andrew

Thanks Nathaniel for sending me a link to this thread. I rarely visit this forum this year.

The inscription is not Thai. And as fas as I know, it doesnt looks like Burmese nor Khmer.

Folding knife is not common for Thai before 18-19C. Most of small knives are fixed blade.

Andrew · 11th June 2010, 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PUFF

Thanks Nathaniel for sending me a link to this thread. I rarely visit this forum this year.

The inscription is not Thai. And as fas as I know, it doesnt looks like Burmese nor Khmer.

Folding knife is not common for Thai before 18-19C. Most of small knives are fixed blade.

Ah, curious. Many thanks.

Would you agree that blade profile looks Thai?

The file-work on the spike strikes me as possibly Indian. Hmmmm.

mross · 11th June 2010, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew

Here's a recent addition I picked up from OA. This is what Artzi (Avner?) had to say:

This is clearly from SEA. My impression is Thai based on the blade profile, but if someone (PUFF?

) were able to translate the inscription on the handle, we would surely learn more.

Andrew

This style of knife is often refered to as a friction folder.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/sh...friction+knife

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/sh...friction+knife

http://www.britishblades.com/forums/...read.php?14882

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=298709

Berkley · 11th June 2010, 11:28 PM

kronckew,
That knife is an interesting variation, since its tail does indeed appear to be in the form of tweezers such as are commonly used for holding sticky balls of uncooked opium. Most of the "fish knives" I have seen have solid spikes more suitable for knotwork on lines or nets (or cleaning hooves). The basic Chinese folder design appears to have a variety of possible uses.
Berk

trenchwarfare · 17th September 2013, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThePepperSkull

I am surprised that nobody mentioned the Higonokami

Did somebody mention Higonokami...

My Japanese folder collection.

Edster · 17th September 2013, 05:11 PM

Here's a nice lock blade folder from Zanjan, Iran circa 1966. That town is long famous as a knife making center.

Billman · 22nd September 2013, 02:46 PM

Ibrahiim - your curved knife is a form of folding billhook - used mainly for pruning of fruit trees/bushes and grape vines. Known as a serpette in France, and a roncoletta in Italy (diminutive forms of serpe and roncola respectively) - it is found all over southern Europe and the Mediterranean area. I would guess yours in probably Italian in origin, possibly from the Maniago region.
see: http://www.couteaux-jfl.com/serpettes.htm Sailors' knives tend to have a square blade, see: http://www.linder.de/en/artikel/Kniv...Sailor’s_knife

16th September 2009, 06:04 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	Might as well add a little Klaas to this thread . A Kissing Crane . Love the green scales ! Attached Images Last edited by Rick; 16th September 2009 at 06:23 PM.

11th June 2010, 11:28 PM	#12
Berkley Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Austin, Texas USA Posts: 257	kronckew, That knife is an interesting variation, since its tail does indeed appear to be in the form of tweezers such as are commonly used for holding sticky balls of uncooked opium. Most of the "fish knives" I have seen have solid spikes more suitable for knotwork on lines or nets (or cleaning hooves). The basic Chinese folder design appears to have a variety of possible uses. Berk Attached Images

17th September 2013, 05:11 PM	#14
Edster Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 440	Zanjan Lockblade Here's a nice lock blade folder from Zanjan, Iran circa 1966. That town is long famous as a knife making center. Attached Images

16th September 2009, 09:03 AM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	That multi tool is a knife by definition, and a bladed implement. Carry is definitely prohibited in NSW, Australia , unless you have an acceptable reason. An acceptable reason would be for the preparation and consumption of food --- pretty much anything other than this would not be acceptable.

16th September 2009, 09:28 AM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,259	here you can carry a 3in. edge or smaller non-locking folder without a good reason, as long as you do not take it out and use it in an offensive manner (self defence is still offensive according to the law). just taking out out to cut something can be considered 'threatening' if some member of the public gets frightened. you can carry a fixed blade or locking knife only with good reason, being a chef would be one, or being in a profession where you regularly cut open boxes is another. going fishing would allow you to carry a filleting knife in the tackle box. however, you must proceed DIRECTLY from your home to the place of the activity, if you stop for fuel, for a wee, or to pick up a take-away, you have then broken the reason and can be prosecuted for carrying an offensive weapon, even if it was locked up in your tackle box, glove box, etc. if you enter a prohibited zone, a public building, court, subway system, train, school, etc. even the under 3in. otherwise legal carry suddenly is not legal. the police get to decide if your reason is a good one, and may confiscate your knife, and arrest you if they do not like it. you may get off a few months later,after court and lawyers fees, etc. you won't get your knife back tho. and you might not get off. if the non-locking folding knife is borderline, ie. the edge is 2 7/8" and there is a 1/4 unsharpened ricasso, if the cop decides he don't like it, you can get arrested and argue it in court. i heard of a guy with a little under 1 inch keychain knife that was not even sharpened, it had a button lock and looked like a flick knife, cop noticed it on a traffic stop when it was dangling from the ignition. he got arrested, and convicted of carrying an offensive weapon, tho he did get a suspended sentence and a fine on top of the other legal hassles and expenses instead of jail - and of course he's now a convicted felon. ah, well, 'nuff said on the subject, we best not stray into politics...

7th June 2010, 08:20 AM	#4
ThePepperSkull Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 338	I am surprised that nobody mentioned the Higonokami

9th June 2010, 02:38 AM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	Just kinda found its way to you unnoticed. Lucky Guy .

9th June 2010, 02:48 AM	#7
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	lol. Amazingly, this is likely the first purchase I've made in over a year!

22nd September 2013, 02:46 PM	#15
Billman Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 129	Ibrahiim - your curved knife is a form of folding billhook - used mainly for pruning of fruit trees/bushes and grape vines. Known as a serpette in France, and a roncoletta in Italy (diminutive forms of serpe and roncola respectively) - it is found all over southern Europe and the Mediterranean area. I would guess yours in probably Italian in origin, possibly from the Maniago region. see: http://www.couteaux-jfl.com/serpettes.htm Sailors' knives tend to have a square blade, see: http://www.linder.de/en/artikel/Kniv...Sailor’s_knife