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Rick · 13th September 2009, 06:49 PM

Heavens above !!!
How is the gold attached to the ivory ?
Is it a sheet covering the carving that is then formed and crimped ?

Battara · 14th September 2009, 12:22 AM

Impressive work.

BluErf · 14th September 2009, 03:43 PM

Great hilt!

I love the natural flow of the figure! And the gold work is very nicely done too. Selut looks very solid.

Was this based on the example in the Invincible Keris?

Marcokeris · 14th September 2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BluErf

Great hilt!

I love the natural flow of the figure! And the gold work is very nicely done too. Selut looks very solid.

Was this based on the example in the Invincible Keris?

I don't know.... one indonesian friend showed me this hit two mounth ago during my last trip to Bali. The price was very very hight (gold 18 karat). I never have win a lottery

so...i did only some pics

A. G. Maisey · 15th September 2009, 12:39 AM

In old examples of this type of work that I have seen the gold was held in place with jabung.

In newer examples a super-glue type adhesive was used, Alteco is a favourite.

David · 15th September 2009, 01:02 AM

The craftsmanship is lovely, but i'm not so sure that this work is to my tastes. So, is this an old ivory hilt that has more recently been adorned with gold and jewels. The ivory looks old with a nice patina, but the gold work looks new. Or perhaps it is all new and the ivory is just aged this way, but it doesn't seems so. If it is as i suggest, an older ivory hilt recently adorn that i have to ask why? Eye-candy for wealthy collectors? Personally i have the urge to scrape all the gold and jewels off to reveal the beauty of the ivory beneath.

Sajen · 15th September 2009, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by David

The craftsmanship is lovely, but i'm not so sure that this work is to my tastes. So, is this an old ivory hilt that has more recently been adorned with gold and jewels. The ivory looks old with a nice patina, but the gold work looks new. Or perhaps it is all new and the ivory is just aged this way, but it doesn't seems so. If it is as i suggest, an older ivory hilt recently adorn that i have to ask why? Eye-candy for wealthy collectors? Personally i have the urge to scrape all the gold and jewels off to reveal the beauty of the ivory beneath.

Hello David,

why do you think that the gold work is more recent? I am not sure that it is like this.

I am nearly sure that you can find in old collections hilt's like this which are completly original. Or I am wrong by this?

sajen

Rick · 15th September 2009, 01:04 AM

Thanks Alan .

A. G. Maisey · 15th September 2009, 01:38 AM

It would be recent David. The patination is no trick at all. Even the appearance of old ivory with a judicial crack here and there is no trick.

Personally I like this sort of thing very much. As Marco says, this style of work is very expensive, but it is often exquisite.

Don't get me wrong:- I like simplicity too, and I like something that only prioritises the excellence of carving, but in really topline Bali dress the very best is most often really over the top. Its a cultural thing:- understatement is just not the Balinese way. Perhaps our natural inclination might be for quiet excellence, but that just doesn't fit with the exhuberance of Balinese art.

13th September 2009, 06:49 PM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	Heavens above !!! How is the gold attached to the ivory ? Is it a sheet covering the carving that is then formed and crimped ?

14th September 2009, 12:22 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	Impressive work.

14th September 2009, 03:43 PM	#3
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Great hilt! I love the natural flow of the figure! And the gold work is very nicely done too. Selut looks very solid. Was this based on the example in the Invincible Keris?

15th September 2009, 12:39 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	In old examples of this type of work that I have seen the gold was held in place with jabung. In newer examples a super-glue type adhesive was used, Alteco is a favourite.

15th September 2009, 01:02 AM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	The craftsmanship is lovely, but i'm not so sure that this work is to my tastes. So, is this an old ivory hilt that has more recently been adorned with gold and jewels. The ivory looks old with a nice patina, but the gold work looks new. Or perhaps it is all new and the ivory is just aged this way, but it doesn't seems so. If it is as i suggest, an older ivory hilt recently adorn that i have to ask why? Eye-candy for wealthy collectors? Personally i have the urge to scrape all the gold and jewels off to reveal the beauty of the ivory beneath.

15th September 2009, 01:04 AM	#8
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	Thanks Alan .

15th September 2009, 01:38 AM	#9
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	It would be recent David. The patination is no trick at all. Even the appearance of old ivory with a judicial crack here and there is no trick. Personally I like this sort of thing very much. As Marco says, this style of work is very expensive, but it is often exquisite. Don't get me wrong:- I like simplicity too, and I like something that only prioritises the excellence of carving, but in really topline Bali dress the very best is most often really over the top. Its a cultural thing:- understatement is just not the Balinese way. Perhaps our natural inclination might be for quiet excellence, but that just doesn't fit with the exhuberance of Balinese art.