Kampilan question

Rick · 12th September 2009, 01:01 AM

If you can halt the active rust without stripping the patina .
There is history in that gunk on the hilt and blade .

This one below had no active rust so I saw no reason to alter its existing state .

Battara · 12th September 2009, 02:04 AM

I must agree with Kai, this is probably a ceremonial piece since it has the hair, but not a high status datu class piece. Those would be covered with some silver or even ivory.

This piece had silver coins for eyes and of course the hair.

Still a nice piece.

Sajen · 12th September 2009, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

I must agree with Kai, this is probably a ceremonial piece since it has the hair, but not a high status datu class piece. Those would be covered with some silver or even ivory.

This piece had silver coins for eyes and of course the hair.

Still a nice piece.

Thank's for your input. Do you would clean the blade when it's your's? And give new hair? And what do you think, there have been old coins or other silver disc's?
The diameter is 19 mm.

Regards,

Detlef

Battara · 12th September 2009, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Thank's for your input. Do you would clean the blade when it's your's? And give new hair? And what do you think, there have been old coins or other silver disc's?
The diameter is 19 mm.

Regards,

Detlef

If it were mine, I would clean and etch the blade and have old Spanish or Philippine coins for eyes (or if not found, then make okir silver discs for eyes), plus replace the hair. I can and have done these before.

Dimasalang · 13th September 2009, 01:25 AM

Wow what a steal.

Sajen · 13th September 2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dimasalang

Wow what a steal.

A little bit I pay also!

Jazz · 17th September 2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

I must agree with Kai, this is probably a ceremonial piece since it has the hair, but not a high status datu class piece. Those would be covered with some silver or even ivory.

This piece had silver coins for eyes and of course the hair.

Still a nice piece.

Hi Battara,
With the catchphrase "ceremonial weapon", I've always been preplexed by this but I always wonder what type of ceremony do the Moros do to warrant a different weapon altogether? Thank you in advance.

Gapar

Battara · 17th September 2009, 11:06 PM

Ceremonial would include special occasions like weddings, dances, meetings with other nobility, etc.

For these the weaponry needs to show the special status of the wearer and is not to be used in battle.

Jazz · 19th September 2009, 01:41 AM

Thank you batara. I have no idea the Moros wear different weapons for different occasions.

Sajen · 14th February 2010, 08:34 PM

Here the first step of restoration. The hilt have got new "eyes", two 20 Centavos coins from 1916/1918 and the blade a decent clean from rust. The inlays at the tip of the blade are from copper and brass. Next step will be that the handle will get new hair. I have got white goat hair. What you will do? Shall I let the hair white or shall I give the hair a coloration and when yes which colour?

Regards,

Detlef

Rick · 14th February 2010, 08:52 PM

According to Cato, black and deep red were popular colors; there are also shown hilts with lighter grey/white hair in the book .

He also suggests that the hairy ones were more for ceremony; that claim I would take with a grain of salt .

Sajen · 12th September 2009, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick

If you can halt the active rust without stripping the patina .
There is history in that gunk on the hilt and blade .

This one below had no active rust so I saw no reason to alter its existing state .

Hello Rick,

when I see your nice example with very similar blade I tend to do so. Only remove the active rust and keep the dark patina.

Regards,
Detlef

Rick · 12th September 2009, 04:01 PM

Hi Detlef, it's a personal choice about cleaning a blade .

I have cleaned and etched my share of kris .

12th September 2009, 01:01 AM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	If you can halt the active rust without stripping the patina . There is history in that gunk on the hilt and blade . This one below had no active rust so I saw no reason to alter its existing state . Attached Images

14th February 2010, 08:34 PM	#10
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,274	Here the first step of restoration. The hilt have got new "eyes", two 20 Centavos coins from 1916/1918 and the blade a decent clean from rust. The inlays at the tip of the blade are from copper and brass. Next step will be that the handle will get new hair. I have got white goat hair. What you will do? Shall I let the hair white or shall I give the hair a coloration and when yes which colour? Regards, Detlef Attached Images

12th September 2009, 02:04 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	I must agree with Kai, this is probably a ceremonial piece since it has the hair, but not a high status datu class piece. Those would be covered with some silver or even ivory. This piece had silver coins for eyes and of course the hair. Still a nice piece.

13th September 2009, 01:25 AM	#5
Dimasalang Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 264	Wow what a steal.

17th September 2009, 11:06 PM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	Ceremonial would include special occasions like weddings, dances, meetings with other nobility, etc. For these the weaponry needs to show the special status of the wearer and is not to be used in battle.

19th September 2009, 01:41 AM	#9
Jazz Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 44	Thank you batara. I have no idea the Moros wear different weapons for different occasions.

14th February 2010, 08:52 PM	#11
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	According to Cato, black and deep red were popular colors; there are also shown hilts with lighter grey/white hair in the book . He also suggests that the hairy ones were more for ceremony; that claim I would take with a grain of salt .

12th September 2009, 04:01 PM	#13
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	Hi Detlef, it's a personal choice about cleaning a blade . I have cleaned and etched my share of kris .