Question about Bugis hilts

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by ganjawulung

Dear Sajen,

Your first hilt, IMHO, is not Bugis hilt. It is Sumbawa hilt. Sumbawa has similar warangka as Bugis, but different hilt (cf "Keris di Lombok" book, by Lalu Djelenga)

GANJAWULUNG

Hello Ganja,

is my information incorrect that this handles are typical for Bugis Riau-Lingga?

Best regards,

sajen

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello Ganja,
is my information incorrect that this handles are typical for Bugis Riau-Lingga?
Best regards,

sajen

I've seen this hilt form in kerisses from Johor-Riau-Lingga and also Sumbawa pieces, although there are slight variations in between.. In this example, it looks much similar to the Sumbawa form..

Btw, I have a few Bugis hilts with the 'dent' as well. Interesting question..

[Marcokeris]

IMO the first is from Sumbawa. I have one twin (but not ivory ... wood made) like this and the seller told me is surely from Sumbawa. Now i'm in Bali but when at home i put a pic. Nice hits Sajen

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

IMO the first is from Sumbawa. I have one twin (but not ivory ... wood made) like this and the seller told me is surely from Sumbawa. Now i'm in Bali but when at home i put a pic. Nice hits Sajen

Thank you Marco you lucky man, please give greetings to my second home!

sajen

[Marcokeris]

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

IMO the first is from Sumbawa. I have one twin (but not ivory ... wood made) like this and the seller told me is surely from Sumbawa. Now i'm in Bali but when at home i put a pic. Nice hits Sajen

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[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

I've seen this hilt form in kerisses from Johor-Riau-Lingga and also Sumbawa pieces, although there are slight variations in between.. In this example, it looks much similar to the Sumbawa form..

Btw, I have a few Bugis hilts with the 'dent' as well. Interesting question..

Hi Alam,

you have seen this "dent" by other hilts also or only by this Bugis hilt form?
My guess when it is a natural dent you will find this also by Jawa Deman hilts for example. I don't want to say that this dent isn't natural but maybe the carver let this dent by a special intention?

sajen

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hi Alam,

you have seen this "dent" by other hilts also or only by this Bugis hilt form?
My guess when it is a natural dent you will find this also by Jawa Deman hilts for example. I don't want to say that this dent isn't natural but maybe the carver let this dent by a special intention?

sajen

I've seen on Jawa Demam form as well, and a few Javanese Nunggak Semi form, mainly ivory pieces..
For the Bugis hilt, there might be a special purpose esoterically.. so I'm told.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

I've seen on Jawa Demam form as well, and a few Javanese Nunggak Semi form, mainly ivory pieces..
For the Bugis hilt, there might be a special purpose esoterically.. so I'm told.

This is what I'm intended by my question before.

sajen

[sipakatuo]

The dent (natural, NOT man made) is related to mystic or so called esoteri aspect.

[Rick]

Originally Posted by sipakatuo

The dent (natural, NOT man made) is related to mystic or so called esoteri aspect.

Could you elaborate upon this subject a little more sipakatuo .

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by sipakatuo

The dent (natural, NOT man made) is related to mystic or so called esoteri aspect.

Hello Sipakatuo,

that the dent is natural and not made by hand is clearly to see but I suspect just this mystic or in bahasa Indonesia esoteri aspect behind this dent. Do you know more about this?

Regards,

sajen