Orlov revolt 1770

eftihis · 8th July 2009, 10:51 PM

Dear Jim,
Thank very much, you are always here with ideas and encouragement for everyone.
Regarding the Osprey publication, it only has local dress and weapons variations from other balkan areas, not Greece and nothing about Crete. Also does not have military uniforms from 1770.
Anyway, below there are photos from a museum of 2 weapons that supposed to be from that time. Can somebody verify that are not made after 1770?
The pistol has a crown mark that flintlock collectors may recognise its date.
The yataghan also has a makers mark, but this is toupher..
Any ideas?

ilias · 11th July 2009, 09:39 AM

I just bump this topic because I believe it is very interesting one.

Jim McDougall · 11th July 2009, 05:36 PM

Hi Eftihis,
I just noticed your post, and wanted to thank you for the kind words and for the additional information as well as sharing those beautiful weapons.
The lockplate is of course British, which if I recall, were quite present during the Greek War of Independence.

As noted, the Osprey references are typically quite general in scope, and give a general overview of period and events, while lacking in detail required for in depth study. Magnificent references I would hate to be without, but essentially a 'Cliff Notes' style as a benchmark in study of the topic.

The weapons of Crete are truly an esoteric topic, and I recall years ago, my desperate quest to find a copy of "The Cretan Dagger" which I looked for years to find. Finally it was only through a very good friend in Athens, who helped me acquire the book, one of few copies left. Other references to these weapons are found of course singularly in various works, but not with this kind of detail.

Which brings up the concurrent thread on Robert Elgood's exciting new book, "The Arms of Greece, and her Balkan Neighbors" to be released in November. I have known of this book for many years, as Dr. Elgood has been deeply researching this material, and I very much look forward to seeing the final work.

We'll keep working on this topic, and I do hope others out there will join in. Again, those of you out there reading....please come in!!

All the best,
Jim

8th July 2009, 10:51 PM	#1
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 512	Are these weapoons from that time? Dear Jim, Thank very much, you are always here with ideas and encouragement for everyone. Regarding the Osprey publication, it only has local dress and weapons variations from other balkan areas, not Greece and nothing about Crete. Also does not have military uniforms from 1770. Anyway, below there are photos from a museum of 2 weapons that supposed to be from that time. Can somebody verify that are not made after 1770? The pistol has a crown mark that flintlock collectors may recognise its date. The yataghan also has a makers mark, but this is toupher.. Any ideas? Attached Images

11th July 2009, 09:39 AM	#2
ilias Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: GREECE Posts: 73	just to remind I just bump this topic because I believe it is very interesting one.

11th July 2009, 05:36 PM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,459	Hi Eftihis, I just noticed your post, and wanted to thank you for the kind words and for the additional information as well as sharing those beautiful weapons. The lockplate is of course British, which if I recall, were quite present during the Greek War of Independence. As noted, the Osprey references are typically quite general in scope, and give a general overview of period and events, while lacking in detail required for in depth study. Magnificent references I would hate to be without, but essentially a 'Cliff Notes' style as a benchmark in study of the topic. The weapons of Crete are truly an esoteric topic, and I recall years ago, my desperate quest to find a copy of "The Cretan Dagger" which I looked for years to find. Finally it was only through a very good friend in Athens, who helped me acquire the book, one of few copies left. Other references to these weapons are found of course singularly in various works, but not with this kind of detail. Which brings up the concurrent thread on Robert Elgood's exciting new book, "The Arms of Greece, and her Balkan Neighbors" to be released in November. I have known of this book for many years, as Dr. Elgood has been deeply researching this material, and I very much look forward to seeing the final work. We'll keep working on this topic, and I do hope others out there will join in. Again, those of you out there reading....please come in!! All the best, Jim