Translation help needed: Arabic cartouche

Atlantia · 5th July 2009, 04:03 PM

Am I seeing a 1312 date?

ariel · 5th July 2009, 04:04 PM

You are :-)

Atlantia · 5th July 2009, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

You are :-)

Cheers Ariel
Would you make that 1895 in new money?

Dom · 5th July 2009, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

Am I seeing a 1312 date?

absolutely correcte

but the translation isn't easy

may be concerning a black-smith or blade-smith,
not arab, could be Persian ?

the cartouche mention;
- AMAL ALI ???

translated by
- MADE BY ALI ????

ALI being the favorite name for Chiites, that may give an idea
but echec to translate the other name

à +

Dom (from NAS Fallon - Nevada)

Atlantia · 8th July 2009, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dom

absolutely correcte

but the translation isn't easy

may be concerning a black-smith or blade-smith,
not arab, could be Persian ?

the cartouche mention;
- AMAL ALI ???

translated by
- MADE BY ALI ????

ALI being the favorite name for Chiites, that may give an idea
but echec to translate the other name

à +

Dom (from NAS Fallon - Nevada)

Thanks Dom, yes it my well be a Persian piece, sorry

My date is right though is it =1895?
LOL, wonder if its the same 'ali' who made my Persian Shamshir

Any ideas on the rest?

Regards
Gene

Dom · 9th July 2009, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

Thanks Dom, yes it my well be a Persian piece, sorry

My date is right though is it =1895?
LOL, wonder if its the same 'ali' who made my Persian Shamshir

Any ideas on the rest?

Regards
Gene

Hi Gene
for the date, no doubt = 1895

but to have more ideas with just a pic of very small part (cartouche, no more) of that ??
dagger ?? sword ?? battle axe ??

could be the same than to give an appreciation
about a woman from her hand picture

à +

Dom (from SF CA, trip mainly ended)

Atlantia · 9th July 2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dom

Hi Gene
for the date, no doubt = 1895

but to have more ideas with just a pic of very small part (cartouche, no more) of that ??
dagger ?? sword ?? battle axe ??

could be the same than to give an appreciation
about a woman from her hand picture

à +

Dom (from SF CA, trip mainly ended)

Hello Dom,

Thanks for the reply, you want to see the whole 'item'...
LOL, its not so much a sword, or a dagger.... Or an Axe.

Its kind of more a tray for me to display some daggers on.

I really like bronze and brass, this is a bronze tray, 53cm/37.5cm, absolutely covered in beautiful carved designs. One of the best I've seen.

Atlantia · 9th July 2009, 08:35 PM

ALEX · 10th July 2009, 09:20 AM

Gene, if you'd not mention 'bronze', I'd be almost certain it is silver. It's unbelievable to see this kind of quality and detail on bronze. This is one of the best I've seen as well. I also like bronze and brass, and especially damascened: 3-metal "Mamluk Revival" types. I realize it's off the scope of this forum (so I'll PM you personally), but I'd like to thank you for posting the great closeups of such a rare and truly beautiful item.

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ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Gene, if you'd not mention 'bronze', I'd be almost certain it is silver. It's unbelievable to see this kind of quality and detail on bronze. This is one of the best I've seen as well. I also like bronze and brass, and especially damascened: 3-metal "Mamluk Revival" types. I realize it's off the scope of this forum (so I'll PM you personally), but I'd like to thank you for posting the great closeups of such a rare and truly beautiful item.