Keris blade

[Sajen]

Thank you Rick for comment. Yes, my guess is also East Java. The long ada ada I also like. Any ideas which dapur this can be?

Detlef

[ganjawulung]

Ferry,
Regarding the ricikan (details) of your keris, that has a sekar kacang, tikel alis, two sogokan (front and rear), sraweyan, greneng and mainly with ada-ada (a little bit gigir lembu) -- then it has characteristics of keris of dhapur "panimbal". The problem is, panimbal usually has two lambe gajah. But yours has only one...

GANJAWULUNG

[Sajen]

Dear Pak Ganja,

maybe I am completly wrong, but Panimbal don't have a lambe gajah, or?

PS: my name is Detlef and not Ferry.

[ganjawulung]

Originally Posted by Sajen

maybe I am completly wrong, but Panimbal don't have a lambe gajah, or?

PS: my name is Detlef and not Ferry.

I apologize, Detlef for the wrong mentioning of your name... Panimbal usually has lambe gajah. Even there are two different opinions on this. Either one (Mr Haryono Guritno, for instance) or two lambe gajah (Mr Harsrinuksmo)... You may check also in "Dhapur" book which based on Pangeran Hadiwidjojo's sources....

GANJAWULUNG

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by ganjawulung

I apologize, Detlef for the wrong mentioning of your name... Panimbal usually has lambe gajah. Even there are two different opinions on this. Either one (Mr Haryono Guritno, for instance) or two lambe gajah (Mr Harsrinuksmo)... You may check also in "Dhapur" book which based on Pangeran Hadiwidjojo's sources....

GANJAWULUNG

Dear Ganjawulung,

you are right, Haryono Guritno describe it with one lambe gajah and all features you write before. I check my sources and now I am complete confused. Tammens for example describe it without sekar kacang and without lambe gajah (this don't mean so much, it's not the first mistake I found by him). But the same like he describe in his first book I found by picture in the new book "The Javanese Kris" from Groneman on page 167 from an old source from 1859, a drawing described as "dapoer Paniembal" also without sekar kacang and lambe gajah. So Tammens maybe use this old source? And what is now correct for dapur Panimbal? It's a big different if a keris have sekar kacang or not! If there are one or two lambe gajah maybe already essential for a correct description of a dapur but if there a sekar kacang or not, this is a complete different dapur!!!

sajen

[A. G. Maisey]

In my opinion, not a Javanese blade.

That is not a Javanese ada-ada, the ron dha is abysmal, but the overall garap is Bali --- and the length:- 16"? Jawa? Nggak.

I reckon this is a Lombok blade --- they seem to like those funny sticky up ada - ada.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

In my opinion, not a Javanese blade.

That is not a Javanese ada-ada, the ron dha is abysmal, but the overall garap is Bali --- and the length:- 16"? Jawa? Nggak.

I reckon this is a Lombok blade --- they seem to like those funny sticky up ada - ada.

Thank you Mr. Maisey, like usual from you a very logical desicion.

You can give me maybe also a explanation for my confusion about the two completly different descriptions from the dapur Panimbal?

sajen