keris in amsterdam museum

Battara · 26th April 2005, 01:09 PM

Thank you soooo much Tuancd for the pics. Beautiful piece!

Kiai Carita · 26th April 2005, 01:49 PM

Helo everyone, I'm new in this forum -realy happy to see the famous Knaud keris. It seems that this keris is a Jalak Sangu Tumpeng keris which has been given sinarasah emas with the date depicted in the Javanese candra-sengkala. Traditionally people would sometimes give a gold overlay on to their keris to commemorate some victory or to show their respect to the blade. The method is called sinarasah emas and it is usually in gold. A candra sengkala is a poetic / visual narrative riddle which hides the year of the making of the candra-sengkala in the poem / illustration. Natural things have symbolic numerical value, so a man is x, the moon is y, a naga is z, and so on. Javanese memory has the oldest keris coming from the time of the Gods and the oldest mortal keris come from the times of the Buddhist kingdoms of the Syailendra dinasty in the 7'th century. As to the Knaud keris it is definitely not a Buddha keris because it has double sogokan.

I hope this post might be useful.

Kiai Carita.

Henk · 26th April 2005, 06:01 PM

I found the article again in my cupboard. It tells also the material of the metall that overlays the keris. Copper. No gold and no silver.

Nechesh,

The family legend tells that Charles Knaud studied by a doekoen on Java. He became a complete medicin man and was very famous as the white doekoen.
He was so famous that when the heir of the throne of a javanese royal family became ill, the Sultan demanded him to the palace. Knaud came and saw that the prince was ill due the goena goena, the black magic. Knaud cured the prince and the sultan took Knaud to the room where the heirlooms of the royal family were kept. The sultan gave Knaud the most oldest and precious pusaka, the Knaud keris.

That's the story Nechesh. So study hard and cure everybody you meet. If they like it or not. Who knows someday

Kiai Carita · 26th April 2005, 07:13 PM

If the covering is copper it is unusual. As that the keris was the oldest and most precious in the gedong pusaka of the keraton, hm, nice story but unlikely to be true. As the keris has two sogokan it must have been made after the sogokan was incorporated in to the form of the keris so it could not have been the oldest keris in the kraton.

26th April 2005, 01:49 PM	#2
Kiai Carita Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 91	the Knaud Keris Helo everyone, I'm new in this forum -realy happy to see the famous Knaud keris. It seems that this keris is a Jalak Sangu Tumpeng keris which has been given sinarasah emas with the date depicted in the Javanese candra-sengkala. Traditionally people would sometimes give a gold overlay on to their keris to commemorate some victory or to show their respect to the blade. The method is called sinarasah emas and it is usually in gold. A candra sengkala is a poetic / visual narrative riddle which hides the year of the making of the candra-sengkala in the poem / illustration. Natural things have symbolic numerical value, so a man is x, the moon is y, a naga is z, and so on. Javanese memory has the oldest keris coming from the time of the Gods and the oldest mortal keris come from the times of the Buddhist kingdoms of the Syailendra dinasty in the 7'th century. As to the Knaud keris it is definitely not a Buddha keris because it has double sogokan. I hope this post might be useful. Kiai Carita.

26th April 2005, 07:13 PM	#4
Kiai Carita Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 91	Oldest keris in the Kraton? If the covering is copper it is unusual. As that the keris was the oldest and most precious in the gedong pusaka of the keraton, hm, nice story but unlikely to be true. As the keris has two sogokan it must have been made after the sogokan was incorporated in to the form of the keris so it could not have been the oldest keris in the kraton.

26th April 2005, 01:09 PM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	Thank you soooo much Tuancd for the pics. Beautiful piece!

26th April 2005, 06:01 PM	#3
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	I found the article again in my cupboard. It tells also the material of the metall that overlays the keris. Copper. No gold and no silver. Nechesh, The family legend tells that Charles Knaud studied by a doekoen on Java. He became a complete medicin man and was very famous as the white doekoen. He was so famous that when the heir of the throne of a javanese royal family became ill, the Sultan demanded him to the palace. Knaud came and saw that the prince was ill due the goena goena, the black magic. Knaud cured the prince and the sultan took Knaud to the room where the heirlooms of the royal family were kept. The sultan gave Knaud the most oldest and precious pusaka, the Knaud keris. That's the story Nechesh. So study hard and cure everybody you meet. If they like it or not. Who knows someday