Terengganu Malela with inserted metal

VVV · 17th March 2009, 05:58 PM

Thanks both for the added information!

I also guessed that it wasn't that old. But older than 21th C.

On the flaw/inset they don't exactly correspond IRL in position.
But the top flaw is very close to the top 1/3 part of the inset.
The lower flaws/dents don't correspond at all.
Do you have any theories how a flaw like this occured?
I assume it was after it was manufactured?

Michael

Sajen · 17th March 2009, 06:10 PM

Hello Michael,
maybe like my guess at first view, a blowhole?
Regards,
sajen

asomotif · 17th March 2009, 11:28 PM

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20thC works or later

later than 20th Century... Is the iron still hot ?

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blowhole

Detlef, what do you mean by a blowhole ?

Ps. I can imagine that during forging some flaws may occur and than you can of course decide to make some repair when this occurs in a stage where the product is already near its final form/shape.
But than is looks like the only flaw in this blade.
I really like the shape.

A. G. Maisey · 17th March 2009, 11:52 PM

Michael, the flaws do not need to exactly correspond. A flaw can occur through the blade at an agle. If the one on the reverse side is even close to the patch, then for me, this would be a good enough indication of a flaw that occurred during manufacture.

I also do not understand "blow hole".
Flaws can occur for several reasons, mostly either a cold shut when welding, or because of a degree of hotshortness in the material. Whatever caused it is not important:- its there, so can it be fixed? That is what the maker---or maybe owner would have asked himself. This inlay, or inset, or patch or whatever you like to call it, would probably serve the purpose.

Sajen · 18th March 2009, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by asomotif

later than 20th Century... Is the iron still hot ?

Detlef, what do you mean by a blowhole ?

Ps. I can imagine that during forging some flaws may occur and than you can of course decide to make some repair when this occurs in a stage where the product is already near its final form/shape.
But than is looks like the only flaw in this blade.
I really like the shape.

Hello Willem,
sorry for misunderstanding, I've used an online-dictionary. I mean a forge mistake. Maybe a inclusion from cinder. Nearly the same guess as Mr. Maisey mentioned.
sajen

VVV · 18th March 2009, 08:25 AM

Thanks Alan for the explanation on manufacture flaws.
I also didn't get Detlef's blow hole first.
I thought it was related to the esoteric peeping-hole in some Javanese keris

Michael

17th March 2009, 05:58 PM	#1
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks both for the added information! I also guessed that it wasn't that old. But older than 21th C. On the flaw/inset they don't exactly correspond IRL in position. But the top flaw is very close to the top 1/3 part of the inset. The lower flaws/dents don't correspond at all. Do you have any theories how a flaw like this occured? I assume it was after it was manufactured? Michael

17th March 2009, 06:10 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,277	Hello Michael, maybe like my guess at first view, a blowhole? Regards, sajen

17th March 2009, 11:52 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,049	Michael, the flaws do not need to exactly correspond. A flaw can occur through the blade at an agle. If the one on the reverse side is even close to the patch, then for me, this would be a good enough indication of a flaw that occurred during manufacture. I also do not understand "blow hole". Flaws can occur for several reasons, mostly either a cold shut when welding, or because of a degree of hotshortness in the material. Whatever caused it is not important:- its there, so can it be fixed? That is what the maker---or maybe owner would have asked himself. This inlay, or inset, or patch or whatever you like to call it, would probably serve the purpose.

18th March 2009, 08:25 AM	#6
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks Alan for the explanation on manufacture flaws. I also didn't get Detlef's blow hole first. I thought it was related to the esoteric peeping-hole in some Javanese keris Michael