indonesian knife?

LPCA · 26th February 2009, 06:36 AM

Hi, Ascalon. Indonesian stronghly possible. A lot of people there can go further on ID.... as my friend Henk or other sharped knowledges guys...
You can also visit my website Blade (in french) http://blade.japet.com/ to help your research.
Louis-Pierre

Sajen · 26th February 2009, 09:25 AM

Hello Ascalon,
first of all welcome to the forum.
The first one seems to be a sekin from Sumatra and a very nice one at all.
The second knife I don't know, maybe from Lombok, also very nice.
Regards,
sajen

Sajen · 26th February 2009, 03:48 PM

Hello again,
by my second look I have to correct myself. The blade don't look like a sekin. A sekin normally don't have pamor and have near the handle greneng. Only the handle look like a handle from a sekin.

asomotif · 26th February 2009, 04:21 PM

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Only the handle look like a handle from a sekin

The handle looks like a sekin.
But the scabbard looks like Sumbawa.

The blade form is very common, could be various origins.

The second knife, I have no idea. Coudl use some better pictures of the carvings.

Best regards,
Willem

Henk · 26th February 2009, 07:26 PM

Hello Ascalon, welcome on the forum.

Willem is quite right. The scabbard is from Sulawesi, and is a Badek scabbard. The hilt is probably from a Sekin and is not original to the scabbard. Take a look when placed in the scabbard, it doesnt fit. The hilt should be inside the scabbard. The hilt doesn't also fit the blade. To much space between the blade and the tang. The blade is Sumatran and looks like a Tumbok lada blade. The blade has a Batu lapak. Mostly the sign of a Sumatra blade. But as Willem said common blade, could be various origins. It is a typical mariage of different parts. But I love the scabbard.

The next one puzzles me. The carving of the hilt and the scabbard gave me the idea of Batak. This knife has age. In the archipello a lot of knives are found wich didn't got a specific name.
A Badek was in my mind, pistol grip and the carving on the scabbard mouth as well as the shape of the blade, but not the rather simple dress we use to see by the Badek. But it could also be a form of Piso or a Rawit. It is Sumatran, I'm rather convinced of that because of the look of the blade.

Ascalon · 26th February 2009, 09:20 PM

Thanks

I better understand why i didn't identify the first knife.

This one is curious too:

and i hope this one is more classic:

Best regards
Emmanuel

Henk · 27th February 2009, 06:03 AM

The first one is a chundrik.

The second one is a mariage as well. I think it is a Badek but the hilt is from a Sumatran pedang.

26th February 2009, 06:36 AM	#1
LPCA Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Toulouse - FRANCE Posts: 83	Hi, Ascalon. Indonesian stronghly possible. A lot of people there can go further on ID.... as my friend Henk or other sharped knowledges guys... You can also visit my website Blade (in french) http://blade.japet.com/ to help your research. Louis-Pierre

26th February 2009, 09:25 AM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,214	Hello Ascalon, first of all welcome to the forum. The first one seems to be a sekin from Sumatra and a very nice one at all. The second knife I don't know, maybe from Lombok, also very nice. Regards, sajen

26th February 2009, 03:48 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,214	Hello again, by my second look I have to correct myself. The blade don't look like a sekin. A sekin normally don't have pamor and have near the handle greneng. Only the handle look like a handle from a sekin.

26th February 2009, 07:26 PM	#5
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Hello Ascalon, welcome on the forum. Willem is quite right. The scabbard is from Sulawesi, and is a Badek scabbard. The hilt is probably from a Sekin and is not original to the scabbard. Take a look when placed in the scabbard, it doesnt fit. The hilt should be inside the scabbard. The hilt doesn't also fit the blade. To much space between the blade and the tang. The blade is Sumatran and looks like a Tumbok lada blade. The blade has a Batu lapak. Mostly the sign of a Sumatra blade. But as Willem said common blade, could be various origins. It is a typical mariage of different parts. But I love the scabbard. The next one puzzles me. The carving of the hilt and the scabbard gave me the idea of Batak. This knife has age. In the archipello a lot of knives are found wich didn't got a specific name. A Badek was in my mind, pistol grip and the carving on the scabbard mouth as well as the shape of the blade, but not the rather simple dress we use to see by the Badek. But it could also be a form of Piso or a Rawit. It is Sumatran, I'm rather convinced of that because of the look of the blade.

26th February 2009, 09:20 PM	#6
Ascalon Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: France Posts: 45	Thanks I better understand why i didn't identify the first knife. This one is curious too: and i hope this one is more classic: Best regards Emmanuel

27th February 2009, 06:03 AM	#7
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	The first one is a chundrik. The second one is a mariage as well. I think it is a Badek but the hilt is from a Sumatran pedang.