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ferrylaki · 26th February 2009, 03:08 AM

I think I saw a keris with elephant gandik, luk 3 keris.
might be a recent made keris.

Sajen · 28th February 2009, 04:18 PM

Hello,
I think that this is a very interesting thread and this blade is a puzzle to me. I still think that this blade isn't recent but I can be mistaken.
Galvano you clean the peksi? I think to see a split in the top of it from corrosion.
I want to show here three peksi for comparison: a recent Madura blade, an old Java blade and an old Bali blade.
It will be interesting what our javanese members think about this blade.
And I agree with Newsteel that the greneng is a sign of balinese origin while the sogokan is more javanese.
Regards,
sajen

HiFi · 1st March 2009, 12:14 PM

Dear all, I have followed the discussion for long time but worried my English not good for joining the forum.

Today I try for joining the discussion and please accept my apologize if my word is wrong.

Dear galvano, maybe your keris is like Henk said, I also suppose it is new Maduranese origin made (because it made by order, sometimes the Maduranese keris made adopted of another origin), the corrosion and rust maybe caused of unfinished for finishing (kamal) process.

The kamal process not always to fool people to judge the piece as old but for make the blade become harmoniously like Sajen said.

Many of the new Maduranese keris always has ganja tail like buntut urang and has more heavy weight than old keris, so I suppose your keris has ganja buntut urang too.

Sincerely,
Suryo

David · 1st March 2009, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HiFi

Many of the new Maduranese keris always has ganja tail like buntut urang and has more heavy weight than old keris, so I suppose your keris has ganja buntut urang too.

Perhaps i am laboring under a misunderstanding. I had thought that "buntut urang" referred to the tail end of the gonjo, so don't all keris have one?
I am not convinced that this work is from Madura. The pesi seems consistent with those i have seen on Bali and Lombok keris. Can we possibly see a photo looking down on the gonjo.

HiFi · 1st March 2009, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Perhaps i am laboring under a misunderstanding. I had thought that "buntut urang" referred to the tail end of the gonjo, so don't all keris have one?

Reference to the old version of the Ensiklopedi Keris, page 55, buntut urang is a kind of buntut cecak (urang=shrimp), which buntut cecak agreeing as the rearest part after the gandok part of the ganja by seeing from the bottom (not side seeing).

So, maybe buntut cecak has sub-definiton : buntut cecak and buntut urang.

Buntut urang has bolder and flat at the tip (like shrimp tail), another pointed tip known as buntut cecak.

galvano · 1st March 2009, 10:20 PM

hi all
For the specialist in the kriss.
I clean peksi?
I do not clean peksi?
Rust is hard and thick.
What I do ?

thanks

David · 1st March 2009, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by galvano

hi all
For the specialist in the kriss.
I clean peksi?
I do not clean peksi?
Rust is hard and thick.
What I do ?

thanks

Yes Galvano, clean it, rust very bad!

It isn't a katana after all.

David · 1st March 2009, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HiFi

Reference to the old version of the Ensiklopedi Keris, page 55, buntut urang is a kind of buntut cecak (urang=shrimp), which buntut cecak agreeing as the rearest part after the gandok part of the ganja by seeing from the bottom (not side seeing).

So, maybe buntut cecak has sub-definiton : buntut cecak and buntut urang.

Buntut urang has bolder and flat at the tip (like shrimp tail), another pointed tip known as buntut cecak.

Maybe Alan could explain this. In the gonjo diagram on his website buntut urang is simply the name given to the tail end of the gonjo.

http://www.kerisattosanaji.com/kerisdiagram.html

kulbuntet · 4th March 2009, 11:53 PM

Rust is like a cancer on your keris, it eats and get worse.. and it takes away it engery til its isi and angsar is gone.. " left to a beter place than in the rusty keris ". You can use cocos water (iff posible let it get old cocos water, keep it in a jar for few weeks) to get the most of rust of. And if got it cleaned oil him regulary, i use most of time jasim oil.. be shure its pure oil!

26th February 2009, 03:08 AM	#1
ferrylaki Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 285	I think I saw a keris with elephant gandik, luk 3 keris. might be a recent made keris. Attached Images

28th February 2009, 04:18 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,415	Hello, I think that this is a very interesting thread and this blade is a puzzle to me. I still think that this blade isn't recent but I can be mistaken. Galvano you clean the peksi? I think to see a split in the top of it from corrosion. I want to show here three peksi for comparison: a recent Madura blade, an old Java blade and an old Bali blade. It will be interesting what our javanese members think about this blade. And I agree with Newsteel that the greneng is a sign of balinese origin while the sogokan is more javanese. Regards, sajen Attached Images Last edited by Sajen; 28th February 2009 at 04:45 PM.

1st March 2009, 10:20 PM	#6
galvano Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 178	rust hi all For the specialist in the kriss. I clean peksi? I do not clean peksi? Rust is hard and thick. What I do ? thanks

1st March 2009, 12:14 PM	#3
HiFi Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Indonesia Posts: 11	Dear all, I have followed the discussion for long time but worried my English not good for joining the forum. Today I try for joining the discussion and please accept my apologize if my word is wrong. Dear galvano, maybe your keris is like Henk said, I also suppose it is new Maduranese origin made (because it made by order, sometimes the Maduranese keris made adopted of another origin), the corrosion and rust maybe caused of unfinished for finishing (kamal) process. The kamal process not always to fool people to judge the piece as old but for make the blade become harmoniously like Sajen said. Many of the new Maduranese keris always has ganja tail like buntut urang and has more heavy weight than old keris, so I suppose your keris has ganja buntut urang too. Sincerely, Suryo

4th March 2009, 11:53 PM	#9
kulbuntet Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 159	Rust is like a cancer on your keris, it eats and get worse.. and it takes away it engery til its isi and angsar is gone.. " left to a beter place than in the rusty keris ". You can use cocos water (iff posible let it get old cocos water, keep it in a jar for few weeks) to get the most of rust of. And if got it cleaned oil him regulary, i use most of time jasim oil.. be shure its pure oil!