Soul of the Keris

David · 17th February 2009, 10:17 PM

Well, i don't think i would purchase this DVD based solely on this promotional video. Have you seen the whole thing?
I do practice with my keris, but not in a true to form silat manner as i have no training. Not much of that going on in my area. I do find, however that the keris does seem to "instruct" the user at times.

Pusaka · 17th February 2009, 10:59 PM

Hi David Yes some of the movements in the promotional video are not realistic, I have purchased the dvd though as I got it cheap, hoping there is something worth watching in it

In the video Ni Luh Putu blocks a staff strike with the handle of a keris, that must be one sturdy handle! Most keris if you hit them with force either to the handle or sheath would result in considerable damage.

The Keris is mainly an esoteric weapon but it can and has been used in a physical way also. Its not the best weapon for physical protection but maybe as a alternative.

PenangsangII · 19th February 2009, 04:37 AM

actually, keris is one of the best "self defense" weapons (physically speaking) - if you know how to use it effectively.

Pusaka · 19th February 2009, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PenangsangII

actually, keris is one of the best "self defense" weapons (physically speaking) - if you know how to use it effectively.

You would be happy to fight me with your keris if I had a sword, who would have the advantage?

Lew · 19th February 2009, 08:57 PM

Some how I would prefer a parang or klewang in a fight. Keris are really only stabbing weapons and stabbing alone has many drawbacks in a duel against a longer heavier sword or in a malay involving multipule opponents with longer slashing weapons

Lew

Jussi M. · 19th February 2009, 09:00 PM

Thanks,

J.

kronckew · 19th February 2009, 10:04 PM

video version of previous:

Linky

classic serendipity

spielberg said harrison had the runs that day & the longer sword vs. whip scene was cut, saved spielberg 300,000$ and 3 days of shooting too

Pusaka · 19th February 2009, 11:48 PM

A keris is good for defence against a person who also has a keris/knife or is unarmed. If someone has a staff, sword or any heavier weapon your in trouble because you cant block a strike with your keris. If I took a swipe at you with a sword or staff and you tried to block it with your keris it would fly out of your hand. The only way you could win with your keris would be if you were at a much higher level of ability.

PenangsangII · 20th February 2009, 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pusaka

You would be happy to fight me with your keris if I had a sword, who would have the advantage?

Yes, I would be glad to..... in the confined space of my apartment......

You are also talking about the "soul" of keris..... if it means anything to you, will render your sword, golok or even guns useless....

Well, they wont simply invented keris as a weapon for nothing

Pusaka · 20th February 2009, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PenangsangII

You are also talking about the "soul" of keris..... if it means anything to you, will render your sword, golok or even guns useless....

Well, they wont simply invented keris as a weapon for nothing

Yes that's why I very carefully said " as a physical weapon", I know you can use the Ilmu (knowledge of the eight points)

David · 20th February 2009, 01:20 PM

Yes, the element of surprise is always a factor, but that is pretty self-evident, isn't it? As is the skill level of the practitioner. So i guess i still don't really see the point of discussing how well a keris would do against a pedang or staff...or a gun, nor do i see it's relavence to the topic, Soul of the Keris.

19th February 2009, 09:00 PM	#6
Jussi M. Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 235	Thanks, J. Last edited by Jussi M.; 19th February 2009 at 09:18 PM.

17th February 2009, 10:17 PM	#1
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,220	Well, i don't think i would purchase this DVD based solely on this promotional video. Have you seen the whole thing? I do practice with my keris, but not in a true to form silat manner as i have no training. Not much of that going on in my area. I do find, however that the keris does seem to "instruct" the user at times.

17th February 2009, 10:59 PM	#2
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	Hi David Yes some of the movements in the promotional video are not realistic, I have purchased the dvd though as I got it cheap, hoping there is something worth watching in it In the video Ni Luh Putu blocks a staff strike with the handle of a keris, that must be one sturdy handle! Most keris if you hit them with force either to the handle or sheath would result in considerable damage. The Keris is mainly an esoteric weapon but it can and has been used in a physical way also. Its not the best weapon for physical protection but maybe as a alternative.

19th February 2009, 04:37 AM	#3
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	actually, keris is one of the best "self defense" weapons (physically speaking) - if you know how to use it effectively.

19th February 2009, 08:57 PM	#5
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Some how I would prefer a parang or klewang in a fight. Keris are really only stabbing weapons and stabbing alone has many drawbacks in a duel against a longer heavier sword or in a malay involving multipule opponents with longer slashing weapons Lew

19th February 2009, 10:04 PM	#7
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,228	video version of previous: Linky classic serendipity spielberg said harrison had the runs that day & the longer sword vs. whip scene was cut, saved spielberg 300,000$ and 3 days of shooting too

19th February 2009, 11:48 PM	#8
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	A keris is good for defence against a person who also has a keris/knife or is unarmed. If someone has a staff, sword or any heavier weapon your in trouble because you cant block a strike with your keris. If I took a swipe at you with a sword or staff and you tried to block it with your keris it would fly out of your hand. The only way you could win with your keris would be if you were at a much higher level of ability.

20th February 2009, 01:20 PM	#11
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,220	Yes, the element of surprise is always a factor, but that is pretty self-evident, isn't it? As is the skill level of the practitioner. So i guess i still don't really see the point of discussing how well a keris would do against a pedang or staff...or a gun, nor do i see it's relavence to the topic, Soul of the Keris.