Borneo Piso

Tim Simmons · 29th January 2009, 09:30 PM

Do we know all the colours of Shark and Ray skins? The small eyed ray seems to fit the colour rather well.
http://www.wildlifeonline.me.uk/sharks_rays.html#colour

Tim Simmons · 29th January 2009, 09:38 PM

Pink whip ray from Malaysian waters.
http://www.fish.gov.au/fishnames/photos/37035003.jpg

VANDOO · 29th January 2009, 11:06 PM

NORMALY CURED OR TANNED RAY SKIN LOOKS WHITE AS IT IS MADE UP OF LARGE DENTICLES (BONE) WITH SKIN BEHIND AND BETWEEN THEM YOU HAVE PROBABLY SEEN THE RAYSKIN ON SAMAURAI SWORDS AND SUCH. THEY USED TO BLEACH IT TO BE EVEN WHITER THAN THE NATURALLY TANNED AND DRIED SKINS FOR THOSE HANDLE GRIPS AS WHITE WAS PREFERRED. I AM NOT SURE WHAT SPECIES OF RAY IS USED AS MOST DO NOT HAVE THE SKIN WITH THE BIG DENTICLES THAT IS PREFERRED FOR USE AS RAYSKIN ON SWORD GRIPS, ECT. I HAVE PERSONALLY SKINED STINGRAYS AND SKATES AND SHARKS BUT NONE OF THE SPECIES I WORKED ON WAS THE ONE USED TO MAKE THIS RAYSKIN.
IN BALI I VISITED SEVERAL SHOPS SELLING LEATHER GOODS MADE FROM RAYSKIN THERE WAS A WIDE SELECTION OF COLORS AVAILABLE BLUE, PURPLE, RED, GREEN, WHITE BUT I PERSONALLY PREFERRED THE BLACK OR TAN-BROWN COLOR MOST. THEY ALSO DYE SNAKESKINS AND SEA SNAKE SKIN WAS VERY POPULAR IN JAPAN A FEW YEARS BACK AND PROBABLY STILL IS. SO I SERIOUSLY DOUBT THE RED RAYSKIN IS A NATURAL COLOR.

Tim Simmons · 30th January 2009, 10:38 AM

So its still crap then! I lost a lot on it

Tim Simmons · 31st January 2009, 07:02 PM

If it is by any chance Pink Whip Ray skin, as fish lives in brakish water it could be found well up river.

VANDOO · 31st January 2009, 09:21 PM

DON'T BE TOO HARD ON YOURSELF IT IS DEFINITELY NOT CRAP BUT YOU MAY HAVE PAID TOO MUCH FOR WHAT IT TURNS OUT TO BE. (IT HAPPENS TO US ALL

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THE LARGEST STINGRAY PELT I SAW WAS 22 X 8 IN. I DID NOT FIND THE SPECIES BUT JUDGEING FROM THE SIZES I SAW IT IS NOT A VERY LARGE ONE AND EVIDENTLY A COMMON BYCATCH IN INDONESIAN AS WELL AS THAI WATERS. THEY ARE SELLING A LOT OUT OF THAILAND AS WELL AS BALI, I HAVE ADDED SOME PIC'S ONE DYED PELT, ONE BURGUNDY DYE,ONE NATURAL AND ONE FANCY DYES. IT MAY NOT BE THE EXACT SAME SPECIES AS YOUR SPECIMIN BUT WILL GIVE YOU A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THE MATERIAL LOOKS LIKE DYED AND OTHERWISE.

Tim Simmons · 8th February 2009, 08:36 PM

It is crap with a x10 loop I can scrap the pink off. I will never be as generous to that chap agian. Not even a modern military bring back.

29th January 2009, 09:38 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,875	Pink whip ray from Malaysian waters. http://www.fish.gov.au/fishnames/photos/37035003.jpg Last edited by Tim Simmons; 29th January 2009 at 09:47 PM. Reason: spelling

31st January 2009, 09:21 PM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	DON'T BE TOO HARD ON YOURSELF IT IS DEFINITELY NOT CRAP BUT YOU MAY HAVE PAID TOO MUCH FOR WHAT IT TURNS OUT TO BE. (IT HAPPENS TO US ALL ) THE LARGEST STINGRAY PELT I SAW WAS 22 X 8 IN. I DID NOT FIND THE SPECIES BUT JUDGEING FROM THE SIZES I SAW IT IS NOT A VERY LARGE ONE AND EVIDENTLY A COMMON BYCATCH IN INDONESIAN AS WELL AS THAI WATERS. THEY ARE SELLING A LOT OUT OF THAILAND AS WELL AS BALI, I HAVE ADDED SOME PIC'S ONE DYED PELT, ONE BURGUNDY DYE,ONE NATURAL AND ONE FANCY DYES. IT MAY NOT BE THE EXACT SAME SPECIES AS YOUR SPECIMIN BUT WILL GIVE YOU A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THE MATERIAL LOOKS LIKE DYED AND OTHERWISE. Attached Images

29th January 2009, 09:30 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,875	Do we know all the colours of Shark and Ray skins? The small eyed ray seems to fit the colour rather well. http://www.wildlifeonline.me.uk/sharks_rays.html#colour

29th January 2009, 11:06 PM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	NORMALY CURED OR TANNED RAY SKIN LOOKS WHITE AS IT IS MADE UP OF LARGE DENTICLES (BONE) WITH SKIN BEHIND AND BETWEEN THEM YOU HAVE PROBABLY SEEN THE RAYSKIN ON SAMAURAI SWORDS AND SUCH. THEY USED TO BLEACH IT TO BE EVEN WHITER THAN THE NATURALLY TANNED AND DRIED SKINS FOR THOSE HANDLE GRIPS AS WHITE WAS PREFERRED. I AM NOT SURE WHAT SPECIES OF RAY IS USED AS MOST DO NOT HAVE THE SKIN WITH THE BIG DENTICLES THAT IS PREFERRED FOR USE AS RAYSKIN ON SWORD GRIPS, ECT. I HAVE PERSONALLY SKINED STINGRAYS AND SKATES AND SHARKS BUT NONE OF THE SPECIES I WORKED ON WAS THE ONE USED TO MAKE THIS RAYSKIN. IN BALI I VISITED SEVERAL SHOPS SELLING LEATHER GOODS MADE FROM RAYSKIN THERE WAS A WIDE SELECTION OF COLORS AVAILABLE BLUE, PURPLE, RED, GREEN, WHITE BUT I PERSONALLY PREFERRED THE BLACK OR TAN-BROWN COLOR MOST. THEY ALSO DYE SNAKESKINS AND SEA SNAKE SKIN WAS VERY POPULAR IN JAPAN A FEW YEARS BACK AND PROBABLY STILL IS. SO I SERIOUSLY DOUBT THE RED RAYSKIN IS A NATURAL COLOR.

30th January 2009, 10:38 AM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,875	So its still crap then! I lost a lot on it

31st January 2009, 07:02 PM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,875	If it is by any chance Pink Whip Ray skin, as fish lives in brakish water it could be found well up river.

8th February 2009, 08:36 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,875	It is crap with a x10 loop I can scrap the pink off. I will never be as generous to that chap agian. Not even a modern military bring back.