kaskara konundrum

Rick · 23rd January 2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LOUIEBLADES

Jim

I think that blade was a reworked Indian kirash.

Anything is possible Lew; but it seems awfully long to be a kirach ..

Lew · 23rd January 2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Anything is possible Lew; but it seems awfully long to be a kirach ..

I was thinking along the lines of this type of kirash

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Tim Simmons · 23rd January 2009, 06:34 PM

Strange cross guard. Which might make me think perhaps it never got as north as the Sudanese Mahdist state? This picture is interesting, shows Arab weapons {sea trade?} in North Tanganika. Northern rebellion leader Bushiri bin Salim.

CharlesS · 23rd January 2009, 07:57 PM

Technically Lew, I would not call the blade from Oriental Arms a kirach. I don't think the point of the blade meets the qualifications.

I do, however, know exactly the type that you mean....long slender blade a tip that rather abruptly turns down instead of up. Some Indonesian swords are based on the same idea and similar blade profile.

Lew · 23rd January 2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlesS

Technically Lew, I would not call the blade from Oriental Arms a kirach. I don't think the point of the blade meets the qualifications.

I do, however, know exactly the type that you mean....long slender blade a tip that rather abruptly turns down instead of up. Some Indonesian swords are based on the same idea and similar blade profile.

Charles

What would this be considered? Is the criteria that the point must be lower than the center axis of the blade? If you have a straight bladed tulwar and the point is at the center axis of the blade is it called something else?

Lew

CharlesS · 23rd January 2009, 09:51 PM

Lew,

That one I would call a kirach. It has a lot more in common with the previously pictured khanda hilted example, primarily curvature, though very mild. On the other hand, the long sword(in my collection, btw) is simply a straight fighter....more along the lines of a stereotypical straight blade firingi, but in the case of the straight sword you have pictured, it's an Indian made blade from the Bikaneer armoury.

I think your observations about blade qualifications are well founded. I believe a kirach, along with the downcurve, generally has some degree of false edge....long or short..., which differentiates it from a sossun patah, again, in general. But, I have seen so many Indian blades that don't "follow the rules", I'd say there are exceptions to practically every "type".

stephen wood · 23rd January 2009, 10:13 PM

...some more images of the hilt - is it sheet metal welded together rather than wrought? Also I think that there might have originally been a cap on the pommel

23rd January 2009, 06:34 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,875	Strange cross guard. Which might make me think perhaps it never got as north as the Sudanese Mahdist state? This picture is interesting, shows Arab weapons {sea trade?} in North Tanganika. Northern rebellion leader Bushiri bin Salim. Attached Images

23rd January 2009, 10:13 PM	#7
stephen wood Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 227	...some more images of the hilt - is it sheet metal welded together rather than wrought? Also I think that there might have originally been a cap on the pommel Attached Images

23rd January 2009, 07:57 PM	#4
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Technically Lew, I would not call the blade from Oriental Arms a kirach. I don't think the point of the blade meets the qualifications. I do, however, know exactly the type that you mean....long slender blade a tip that rather abruptly turns down instead of up. Some Indonesian swords are based on the same idea and similar blade profile.

23rd January 2009, 09:51 PM	#6
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Lew, That one I would call a kirach. It has a lot more in common with the previously pictured khanda hilted example, primarily curvature, though very mild. On the other hand, the long sword(in my collection, btw) is simply a straight fighter....more along the lines of a stereotypical straight blade firingi, but in the case of the straight sword you have pictured, it's an Indian made blade from the Bikaneer armoury. I think your observations about blade qualifications are well founded. I believe a kirach, along with the downcurve, generally has some degree of false edge....long or short..., which differentiates it from a sossun patah, again, in general. But, I have seen so many Indian blades that don't "follow the rules", I'd say there are exceptions to practically every "type".