Pamor Rahim

A. G. Maisey · 22nd January 2009, 01:35 AM

Yes Pak Ganja, correct, however, I think that a better explanation of the "nunut" might be that "nunut" means precisely to "ride along together", not "ride in". In the case of the ron dha nunut, it is "riding along together" with the other ron dha ( which could be more than an additional single ron dha) in the greneng. I understand your logic with "rong" , but a couple of very knowledgeable and respected people gave me my explanation.

I'm sorry I wasted your time Brekele.

If you need to ask, I'm afraid it is beyond my capacity to explain this to you.

brekele · 22nd January 2009, 05:19 AM

Thank you Pak Ganjawulung for correct explanation.
I'm sure you are right about this.

Some Keris book explanation wrong about Rondo Nunut.

ganjawulung · 22nd January 2009, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by brekele

Thank you Pak Ganjawulung for correct explanation.
I'm sure you are right about this.

Some Keris book explanation wrong about Rondo Nunut.

More Correction, Brekele...
Your book told us too, a wrong keris term. Please look at number 18 and 20 (pic from your post), it says -- "pundak sategal".

"Pundak" and "pudak" are different things. "Pundak" means "shoulder", but "pudak" means flower of pandan (pandanus amarylifolius). So, if you use the word "pundak sategal" that means "a garden of shoulders..." or "a field of shoulders".

But "pudak sategal" means, a garden of pandanus flower. And that is a rare scene. Because, pandanus -- erect green plant with fan-shaped sprays of long, narrow, blade like leaves and woods aerial roots, usually used as a flavoring in cooking -- only rarely seen with its flower...

GANJAWULUNG

brekele · 22nd January 2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ganjawulung

"Pundak" and "pudak" are different things. "Pundak" means "shoulder", but "pudak" means flower of pandan (pandanus amarylifolius). So, if you use the word "pundak sategal" that means "a garden of shoulders..." or "a field of shoulders".

But "pudak sategal" means, a garden of pandanus flower. And that is a rare scene. Because, pandanus -- erect green plant with fan-shaped sprays of long, narrow, blade like leaves and woods aerial roots, usually used as a flavoring in cooking -- only rarely seen with its flower...

I stil remember Pak Budi explained so clear about pudak sategal on other forum. Salute!
But stil thanks again Pak Ganja for correction, It is help for keris beginner like me .

PenangsangII · 23rd January 2009, 05:39 AM

I tend to agree with Alan regarding the origin of the name pamor rahim. It could be concocted in recent era. IMO, the pamor originally is gunungan, but the object in the gunungan should be rojo gundolo

brekele · 23rd January 2009, 04:08 PM

Are they also Pamor Gunungan? or they have diffrent name of Pamor?

22nd January 2009, 05:19 AM	#2
brekele Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 208	Thank you Pak Ganjawulung for correct explanation. I'm sure you are right about this. Some Keris book explanation wrong about Rondo Nunut. Attached Images

23rd January 2009, 05:39 AM	#5
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	pamor rahim I tend to agree with Alan regarding the origin of the name pamor rahim. It could be concocted in recent era. IMO, the pamor originally is gunungan, but the object in the gunungan should be rojo gundolo

23rd January 2009, 04:08 PM	#6
brekele Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 208	Gunungan Family Are they also Pamor Gunungan? or they have diffrent name of Pamor? Attached Images

22nd January 2009, 01:35 AM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,048	Yes Pak Ganja, correct, however, I think that a better explanation of the "nunut" might be that "nunut" means precisely to "ride along together", not "ride in". In the case of the ron dha nunut, it is "riding along together" with the other ron dha ( which could be more than an additional single ron dha) in the greneng. I understand your logic with "rong" , but a couple of very knowledgeable and respected people gave me my explanation. I'm sorry I wasted your time Brekele. If you need to ask, I'm afraid it is beyond my capacity to explain this to you.