Help with yatagans' inscriptions

Dom · 21st January 2009, 01:52 PM

Hi Teo

except a date, 1288 (1871 gregorian calendar)
and a sentence; la fatha ela Ali, la Saïf ela Zulfakar
no boy than Ali, no sword than Zulfakar

not possibilty to translate the others inscriptions, from Arab to an another language,
because, it's what ever you want excepted arabic language

à +

Dom

TVV · 21st January 2009, 06:16 PM

Thank you very much Dom,

I guess the top row is most likely in Turkish.

Regards,
Teodor

Zifir · 22nd January 2009, 06:41 PM

Hi,
The first one is:

Amel-i Şerif Sahib Osman Ağazade Abdülcemil

Work of Şerif, Owner Abdülcemil, son of Osman Agha

The first line of the second script was difficult to give meaning for me although there is no difficulty in reading it.

Kendi nutk-ı pakdır nutk eyleyen Perverdegar

(My somehow nonsensical translation is: He himself is a well spoken word since it is Allah who make him speak. Some Sufi references here that I am not familiar)

that's best I can

TVV · 22nd January 2009, 07:19 PM

Zifir,

Thank you very much, I really appreciate your translation.
The line with the Sufi reference is especially intriguing, and since almost all inscriptions had an important, almost talismanic meaning to the original owners of these blades, I wonder how it should be interpreted.

Best regards,
Teodor

TVV · 23rd April 2011, 06:56 PM

Here is a yataghan recently found in Bulgaria - 96 cm long, which is not common, with a Balkan hilt and likely an Anatolian blade, with interesting inscriptions in 3 circles on one side. Can someone translate the inscriptions? I think I see a date 1260, or 1844 in Gregorian.

Thank you very much!
Teodor

Dom · 24th April 2011, 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TVV

Can someone translate the inscriptions? I think I see a date 1260, or 1844 in Gregorian.

Hi Teodor
quality of pic ..

- too far, please use "focus" fonction
- about the date, I agree with you 1260 H. (Persian writting)

à +

Dom

TVV · 25th April 2011, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dom

Hi Teodor
quality of pic ..

- too far, please use "focus" fonction
- about the date, I agree with you 1260 H. (Persian writting)

à +

Dom

Dom,

Thank you for the quick response. The yataghan is located half the world away from me and neither it, nor the pictures are mine - I posted it here at the request of its owner. I will see what I can do.

Teodor

21st January 2009, 01:52 PM	#1
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	Hi Teo except a date, 1288 (1871 gregorian calendar) and a sentence; la fatha ela Ali, la Saïf ela Zulfakar no boy than Ali, no sword than Zulfakar not possibilty to translate the others inscriptions, from Arab to an another language, because, it's what ever you want excepted arabic language à + Dom Attached Images Last edited by Dom; 21st January 2009 at 06:14 PM.

22nd January 2009, 06:41 PM	#3
Zifir Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	Hi, The first one is: Amel-i Şerif Sahib Osman Ağazade Abdülcemil Work of Şerif, Owner Abdülcemil, son of Osman Agha The first line of the second script was difficult to give meaning for me although there is no difficulty in reading it. Kendi nutk-ı pakdır nutk eyleyen Perverdegar (My somehow nonsensical translation is: He himself is a well spoken word since it is Allah who make him speak. Some Sufi references here that I am not familiar) that's best I can Attached Images

23rd April 2011, 06:56 PM	#5
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,664	Here is a yataghan recently found in Bulgaria - 96 cm long, which is not common, with a Balkan hilt and likely an Anatolian blade, with interesting inscriptions in 3 circles on one side. Can someone translate the inscriptions? I think I see a date 1260, or 1844 in Gregorian. Thank you very much! Teodor Attached Images

21st January 2009, 06:16 PM	#2
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,664	Thank you very much Dom, I guess the top row is most likely in Turkish. Regards, Teodor

22nd January 2009, 07:19 PM	#4
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,664	Zifir, Thank you very much, I really appreciate your translation. The line with the Sufi reference is especially intriguing, and since almost all inscriptions had an important, almost talismanic meaning to the original owners of these blades, I wonder how it should be interpreted. Best regards, Teodor