Borneo Piso

VVV · 18th January 2009, 07:18 PM

I am sorry Tim.
Maybe I shouldn't have commented it?
But as you have so many great blades, like your other mandau, I thought you weren't that sensitive about it by now.
Unfortunately this is part of collecting and it happens to all of us now and then...

Michael

Tim Simmons · 18th January 2009, 07:23 PM

No we need the truth as far as we currently undrestand it to be. I am just a bit xxxxxx off that I gave some good bits for it. Knowing the source I still have a little hope.

Tim Simmons · 18th January 2009, 09:29 PM

Please excuse me I do not really want to labour a subject, but untill I see or have good reason explained to me. I shall continue to suggest that we do not know all forms of weapons in a specific region. Take this book in the link. Pirate communities are most often mixed and make a living from taking a bit of this and a bit of that perhaps also a little trade.
http://www.naval-military-press.com/...-pr-20737.html

Tim Simmons · 18th January 2009, 09:41 PM

I am not sure if this link will work but the blade could be Malay.
http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=2&gl=uk

Tim Simmons · 21st January 2009, 05:51 PM

19th century Sarawak having around 20% Malay population, I really have to press for more substantial information on the possible origin of an item like this.

Tim Simmons · 22nd January 2009, 06:06 PM

There is some debate as to the value of this carved antler handle especially as this form is not in the books and is in current use by the tourist industry today. Over the years I have learnt that the books are really only a guide. Most of my collection is not in the books perhaps that is why I could afford to buy them. I could also suggest that the current tourist industry form must surely have a point of origin, perhaps not fully appriecated, you know how conservative parts of the weapon collecting world can be.

I am a carver myself. You can see pleny of pride in this work, carved nooks and crannies lots of leechs. The Medusa type head on the end must have looked super before the damage. Why carve all that and then damage it? does not make sense to me. Why not fake it up complete and get a better price. I post these close up pics and every one will just have to make there own minds up. I think you know which way my mind is set.

Mytribalworld · 22nd January 2009, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

There is some debate as to the value of this carved antler handle especially as this form is not in the books and is in current use by the tourist industry today. Over the years I have learnt that the books are really only a guide. Most of my collection is not in the books perhaps that is why I could afford to buy them. I could also suggest that the current tourist industry form must surely have a point of origin, perhaps not fully appriecated, you know how conservative parts of the weapon collecting world can be.

I am a carver myself. You can see pleny of pride in this work, carved nooks and crannies lots of leechs. The Medusa type head on the end must have looked super before the damage. Why carve all that and then damage it? does not make sense to me. Why not fake it up complete and get a better price. I post these close up pics and every one will just have to make there own minds up. I think you know which way my mind is set.

Hi Tim,

Actually I don't think the whole item is a fake. Based on what I see on carving and damage , patina etc on the handle I think it was once a knob of a walking stick. Also dayak carvers made walking sticks. I don't think its antique but more from the 50 or 60's. If its was earlier the carving is mostly finer. The scabbard and blade are in my opinion added on Java or Bali.
The combination is certainly not matching.
The handle is surely not bad. Feel free to ask opinions in the future from me or other forumities before you trade/swap.
My advice, separate the handle and base it... But maybe that an easy advice as I am mandauhilt collector.But sometimes I like a handle more without blade than with.

on the place where the resin ring begins the horn seems to be in two pieces?

Arjan.

18th January 2009, 09:29 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,894	Please excuse me I do not really want to labour a subject, but untill I see or have good reason explained to me. I shall continue to suggest that we do not know all forms of weapons in a specific region. Take this book in the link. Pirate communities are most often mixed and make a living from taking a bit of this and a bit of that perhaps also a little trade. http://www.naval-military-press.com/...-pr-20737.html Last edited by Tim Simmons; 18th January 2009 at 09:31 PM. Reason: spelling

22nd January 2009, 06:06 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,894	There is some debate as to the value of this carved antler handle especially as this form is not in the books and is in current use by the tourist industry today. Over the years I have learnt that the books are really only a guide. Most of my collection is not in the books perhaps that is why I could afford to buy them. I could also suggest that the current tourist industry form must surely have a point of origin, perhaps not fully appriecated, you know how conservative parts of the weapon collecting world can be. I am a carver myself. You can see pleny of pride in this work, carved nooks and crannies lots of leechs. The Medusa type head on the end must have looked super before the damage. Why carve all that and then damage it? does not make sense to me. Why not fake it up complete and get a better price. I post these close up pics and every one will just have to make there own minds up. I think you know which way my mind is set. Attached Images Last edited by Tim Simmons; 22nd January 2009 at 06:43 PM. Reason: Spelling

18th January 2009, 07:18 PM	#1
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	I am sorry Tim. Maybe I shouldn't have commented it? But as you have so many great blades, like your other mandau, I thought you weren't that sensitive about it by now. Unfortunately this is part of collecting and it happens to all of us now and then... Michael

18th January 2009, 07:23 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,894	No we need the truth as far as we currently undrestand it to be. I am just a bit xxxxxx off that I gave some good bits for it. Knowing the source I still have a little hope.

18th January 2009, 09:41 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,894	I am not sure if this link will work but the blade could be Malay. http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=2&gl=uk

21st January 2009, 05:51 PM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,894	19th century Sarawak having around 20% Malay population, I really have to press for more substantial information on the possible origin of an item like this.