Kris identification, luk or not?

Henk · 18th January 2009, 07:51 AM

Erik,

I think your blade is Javanese. Bawang Subungkal also appear on Javanese keris.

A. G. Maisey · 19th January 2009, 01:49 AM

It is virtually impossible for me to give a supportable opinion in respect of origin of this blade from these photographs, and with the blade out of stain.

However, I will happily give an unsupported opinion of origin:- South Sumatra, Palembang.

Why?

Gonjo iras, pamor.

kulbuntet · 19th January 2009, 11:58 PM

IMO alan is right... and with the knowledge of what you told me about that the blade is not "strong" or thick.. must be sumatra. As fast as me have been told bugis keris from sumatra and sulawesi have one big difrence.. in thicknes.. the sumatra is more flat.. and the sulawesi has got more body. And thks about my bugis! I think it is aswel

to henk.. is the upside down v called Bawang Subungkal??I have seen pamor like it called Raja Kam Kam...but its difrent to mine and i dont know if its from jawa. the pamor i hav eon bugis blade i never have seen it on a keris not from sulawesi or sumatra both bugis style.. can you show me some pics? thks in advance.

David · 20th January 2009, 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

It is virtually impossible for me to give a supportable opinion in respect of origin of this blade from these photographs, and with the blade out of stain.

However, I will happily give an unsupported opinion of origin:- South Sumatra, Palembang.

Why?

Gonjo iras, pamor.

Well now you've done it Alan. You've provided an "unsupported opinion" and then gone on to support it with a reason! Is that allowed?

But seriously, i only ask because i have a Javanese keris that is gonjo with pamor, so i must ask, is it because of this specific pamor? Surely not all gonjo iras blades with pamor are from Palembang.

A. G. Maisey · 20th January 2009, 06:11 AM

Yeah, I know David---but I was feeling wild and reckless at the time.

I'd hardly call two little points of reference enough to support an opinion.

I've seen a few Palembang keris that look pretty much like this one, as always, to be relatively certain you need the thing in stain and in your hand, but when I've seen a number of Palembang keris like this, and never seen a Jawa keris like this, I do feel more or less confidant. Yeah, this pamor is not at all common in Jawa keris, gonjo iras is fairly common in palembang keris. To me it just looks Palembang. If we say "Jawa", then we've got ask "Jawa what?" and I reckon it would be pretty near impossible to put a logical Jawa tangguh on it.

Having said all of that, I'll now say that South Sumatra Jawa style blades are almost impossible to distinguish from asli Jawa blades.

erikscollectables · 20th January 2009, 03:47 PM

Interesting discussion guys, thanks!

19th January 2009, 11:58 PM	#3
kulbuntet Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 159	IMO alan is right... and with the knowledge of what you told me about that the blade is not "strong" or thick.. must be sumatra. As fast as me have been told bugis keris from sumatra and sulawesi have one big difrence.. in thicknes.. the sumatra is more flat.. and the sulawesi has got more body. And thks about my bugis! I think it is aswel to henk.. is the upside down v called Bawang Subungkal??I have seen pamor like it called Raja Kam Kam...but its difrent to mine and i dont know if its from jawa. the pamor i hav eon bugis blade i never have seen it on a keris not from sulawesi or sumatra both bugis style.. can you show me some pics? thks in advance. Last edited by kulbuntet; 20th January 2009 at 12:12 AM.

18th January 2009, 07:51 AM	#1
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Erik, I think your blade is Javanese. Bawang Subungkal also appear on Javanese keris.

19th January 2009, 01:49 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,048	It is virtually impossible for me to give a supportable opinion in respect of origin of this blade from these photographs, and with the blade out of stain. However, I will happily give an unsupported opinion of origin:- South Sumatra, Palembang. Why? Gonjo iras, pamor.

20th January 2009, 06:11 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,048	Yeah, I know David---but I was feeling wild and reckless at the time. I'd hardly call two little points of reference enough to support an opinion. I've seen a few Palembang keris that look pretty much like this one, as always, to be relatively certain you need the thing in stain and in your hand, but when I've seen a number of Palembang keris like this, and never seen a Jawa keris like this, I do feel more or less confidant. Yeah, this pamor is not at all common in Jawa keris, gonjo iras is fairly common in palembang keris. To me it just looks Palembang. If we say "Jawa", then we've got ask "Jawa what?" and I reckon it would be pretty near impossible to put a logical Jawa tangguh on it. Having said all of that, I'll now say that South Sumatra Jawa style blades are almost impossible to distinguish from asli Jawa blades.

20th January 2009, 03:47 PM	#6
erikscollectables Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 318	Interesting discussion guys, thanks!