Na-gin protector, is it Moro?

Atlantia · 13th January 2009, 11:51 PM

The helmet looks like an old costume piece to me. Or a 60s souvenier. I think Vandoo might be on the right track with theatrical.
When I was young (in the 70s) a huge local costume hire shop had some amazing outfits (lots of old genuine military stuff for hire, right back to the Boer war and Martini Henrys) Anyway, they had various thin brass/copper copies of helmets. Many styles right back to Corinthian and Roman. Construction was very similar to this one from memory. Pressed sections, turned lips etc.

Bill, the mail-coat is rather fine! Yours?

Bill M · 14th January 2009, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

Bill, the mail-coat is rather fine! Yours?

Yes, horn and silver

Rick · 14th January 2009, 12:52 AM

It seems to me that the Moro helmets tend to have combs like a morion; this example is more like a carabasset in form .

Kino, would it stand up to a good whack with a blade ?

Battara · 14th January 2009, 02:23 AM

I like the trade idea with some Moro customizing. Kino you are right in that the native Moro made pieces are different and more Spanish looking. Good pictures. I had forgotten those.

kino · 14th January 2009, 02:56 AM

Here are closeups of the helmet. The brim / lip is riveted to the dome, the distance from each rivet is 0.5 - 0.75" apart. The edge of the brim/lip is reinforced. The top of the dome is capped with a heavier gauge brass plate and topped with a solid brass finial.

Maurice, I recall seeing that helmet on Arjan's website. I searched his "item's sold" section, but was not able to locate it. I think there was also one for sale at Ashoka's at one time.

Rick, Copper / brass, a straight good whack maybe not, but I would say it would provide a good deflect.

Bill, your armor is a beauty.

The last photo of the helmet is from A. Van Z's book.

Atlantia · 14th January 2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kino

Here are closeups of the helmet. The brim / lip is riveted to the dome, the distance from each rivet is 0.5 - 0.75" apart. The edge of the brim/lip is reinforced. The top of the dome is capped with a heavier gauge brass plate and topped with a solid brass finial.

Maurice, I recall seeing that helmet on Arjan's website. I searched his "item's sold" section, but was not able to locate it. I think there was also one for sale at Ashoka's at one time.

Rick, Copper / brass, a straight good whack maybe not, but I would say it would provide a good deflect.

Bill, your armor is a beauty.

The last photo of the helmet is from A. Van Z's book.

Well the close-ups show the quality of the construction. Its more complex than the simple pieces I mentioned.
Of course the fact that its near identical to the B/W shot is a clincher anyway! Good find!

Rick · 14th January 2009, 06:40 PM

Like peas in a pod .

kino · 17th January 2009, 04:37 AM

Here is an interesting photo.

"They where indeed from the Moluccas but also in use by the guards from the Sultan from Celebes.

The origin is still unknown till today but most likely they are copied after given or traded models from the 17th century."

Courtesy of Arjan, and Many thanks!

14th January 2009, 02:56 AM	#5
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,020	Here are closeups of the helmet. The brim / lip is riveted to the dome, the distance from each rivet is 0.5 - 0.75" apart. The edge of the brim/lip is reinforced. The top of the dome is capped with a heavier gauge brass plate and topped with a solid brass finial. Maurice, I recall seeing that helmet on Arjan's website. I searched his "item's sold" section, but was not able to locate it. I think there was also one for sale at Ashoka's at one time. Rick, Copper / brass, a straight good whack maybe not, but I would say it would provide a good deflect. Bill, your armor is a beauty. The last photo of the helmet is from A. Van Z's book. Attached Images

17th January 2009, 04:37 AM	#8
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,020	Here is an interesting photo. "They where indeed from the Moluccas but also in use by the guards from the Sultan from Celebes. The origin is still unknown till today but most likely they are copied after given or traded models from the 17th century." Courtesy of Arjan, and Many thanks! Attached Images

13th January 2009, 11:51 PM	#1
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	The helmet looks like an old costume piece to me. Or a 60s souvenier. I think Vandoo might be on the right track with theatrical. When I was young (in the 70s) a huge local costume hire shop had some amazing outfits (lots of old genuine military stuff for hire, right back to the Boer war and Martini Henrys) Anyway, they had various thin brass/copper copies of helmets. Many styles right back to Corinthian and Roman. Construction was very similar to this one from memory. Pressed sections, turned lips etc. Bill, the mail-coat is rather fine! Yours?

14th January 2009, 12:52 AM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	It seems to me that the Moro helmets tend to have combs like a morion; this example is more like a carabasset in form . Kino, would it stand up to a good whack with a blade ?

14th January 2009, 02:23 AM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	I like the trade idea with some Moro customizing. Kino you are right in that the native Moro made pieces are different and more Spanish looking. Good pictures. I had forgotten those.

14th January 2009, 06:40 PM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	Like peas in a pod .