Na-gin protector, is it Moro?

Maurice · 13th January 2009, 02:12 PM

I remember Arjan had a moluccan helmet for sale on his website not long ago.

(if the Moluccans got those helmets from the Dutch??....I think so but am not for sure, it is out of my field).

Anyway, as far as I can remember it looked the same in my mind as this one, and worth to search in that direction also to find the origin of the helmet.

Bill M · 13th January 2009, 03:44 PM

As far as the helmet, I don't think it is quite Moro either, though it has a strong resemblance. It does not have the detail that I have seen on early Moro helmets that were made for Moro use.

BTW the armor looks a bit familiar....

Atlantia · 13th January 2009, 10:51 PM

The helmet looks like an old costume piece to me. Or a 60s souvenier. I think Vandoo might be on the right track with theatrical.
When I was young (in the 70s) a huge local costume hire shop had some amazing outfits (lots of old genuine military stuff for hire, right back to the Boer war and Martini Henrys) Anyway, they had various thin brass/copper copies of helmets. Many styles right back to Corinthian and Roman. Construction was very similar to this one from memory. Pressed sections, turned lips etc.

Bill, the mail-coat is rather fine! Yours?

Bill M · 13th January 2009, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

Bill, the mail-coat is rather fine! Yours?

Yes, horn and silver

Rick · 13th January 2009, 11:52 PM

It seems to me that the Moro helmets tend to have combs like a morion; this example is more like a carabasset in form .

Kino, would it stand up to a good whack with a blade ?

Battara · 14th January 2009, 01:23 AM

I like the trade idea with some Moro customizing. Kino you are right in that the native Moro made pieces are different and more Spanish looking. Good pictures. I had forgotten those.

kino · 14th January 2009, 01:56 AM

Here are closeups of the helmet. The brim / lip is riveted to the dome, the distance from each rivet is 0.5 - 0.75" apart. The edge of the brim/lip is reinforced. The top of the dome is capped with a heavier gauge brass plate and topped with a solid brass finial.

Maurice, I recall seeing that helmet on Arjan's website. I searched his "item's sold" section, but was not able to locate it. I think there was also one for sale at Ashoka's at one time.

Rick, Copper / brass, a straight good whack maybe not, but I would say it would provide a good deflect.

Bill, your armor is a beauty.

The last photo of the helmet is from A. Van Z's book.

Atlantia · 14th January 2009, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kino

Here are closeups of the helmet. The brim / lip is riveted to the dome, the distance from each rivet is 0.5 - 0.75" apart. The edge of the brim/lip is reinforced. The top of the dome is capped with a heavier gauge brass plate and topped with a solid brass finial.

Maurice, I recall seeing that helmet on Arjan's website. I searched his "item's sold" section, but was not able to locate it. I think there was also one for sale at Ashoka's at one time.

Rick, Copper / brass, a straight good whack maybe not, but I would say it would provide a good deflect.

Bill, your armor is a beauty.

The last photo of the helmet is from A. Van Z's book.

Well the close-ups show the quality of the construction. Its more complex than the simple pieces I mentioned.
Of course the fact that its near identical to the B/W shot is a clincher anyway! Good find!

13th January 2009, 02:12 PM	#1
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,458	Moluccan helmet?? I remember Arjan had a moluccan helmet for sale on his website not long ago. (if the Moluccans got those helmets from the Dutch??....I think so but am not for sure, it is out of my field). Anyway, as far as I can remember it looked the same in my mind as this one, and worth to search in that direction also to find the origin of the helmet.

13th January 2009, 03:44 PM	#2
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	As far as the helmet, I don't think it is quite Moro either, though it has a strong resemblance. It does not have the detail that I have seen on early Moro helmets that were made for Moro use. BTW the armor looks a bit familiar.... Attached Images

14th January 2009, 01:56 AM	#7
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,020	Here are closeups of the helmet. The brim / lip is riveted to the dome, the distance from each rivet is 0.5 - 0.75" apart. The edge of the brim/lip is reinforced. The top of the dome is capped with a heavier gauge brass plate and topped with a solid brass finial. Maurice, I recall seeing that helmet on Arjan's website. I searched his "item's sold" section, but was not able to locate it. I think there was also one for sale at Ashoka's at one time. Rick, Copper / brass, a straight good whack maybe not, but I would say it would provide a good deflect. Bill, your armor is a beauty. The last photo of the helmet is from A. Van Z's book. Attached Images

13th January 2009, 10:51 PM	#3
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	The helmet looks like an old costume piece to me. Or a 60s souvenier. I think Vandoo might be on the right track with theatrical. When I was young (in the 70s) a huge local costume hire shop had some amazing outfits (lots of old genuine military stuff for hire, right back to the Boer war and Martini Henrys) Anyway, they had various thin brass/copper copies of helmets. Many styles right back to Corinthian and Roman. Construction was very similar to this one from memory. Pressed sections, turned lips etc. Bill, the mail-coat is rather fine! Yours?

13th January 2009, 11:52 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,365	It seems to me that the Moro helmets tend to have combs like a morion; this example is more like a carabasset in form . Kino, would it stand up to a good whack with a blade ?

14th January 2009, 01:23 AM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,323	I like the trade idea with some Moro customizing. Kino you are right in that the native Moro made pieces are different and more Spanish looking. Good pictures. I had forgotten those.