Seadajak Parang with rare scabbard

Tim Simmons · 7th January 2009, 08:46 AM

Micheal I do not mean to confuse anybody, I am a bit confused that might be why I post it here. I like many others probably just see mandau. I just noted some similarity in the scabbard colour and binding also the blade. You guys seem to have all the answers?

asomotif · 8th January 2009, 02:00 PM

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It does have an heavy blade and little heads on the handle .

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I am a bit puzzled with the hilt

The handle on Ben's 2nd parang is puzzling too. (with the little heads)
I have seen nothing like it before.

Where is it from Ben ?

Dajak · 8th January 2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by asomotif

The handle on Ben's 2nd parang is puzzling too. (with the little heads)
I have seen nothing like it before.

Where is it from Ben ?

Hi Willem this is very old Iban style I have seen it but can't remember where
the picture is .

As soon as I found it I will let it know .

But I have an new one coming up also with heads .

Ben

David · 8th January 2009, 06:45 PM

Well, this isn't the first time you all have seen "human" faces on a Dayak hilt. but you may not have noticed them.
I presented this mandau some time back. There is a face kind of hidden on the top and these half hidden faces (circled) near each side of the "snout" of the hilt.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=mandau

Dajak · 8th January 2009, 08:41 PM

Thanks David for bringing up this But I did see also one that has same style
as the one I have it has a few faces on the handle in same style .

The one you looks like an old one but not an Iban style one .

But the handle you have is an nice old one .

Ben

asomotif · 8th January 2009, 09:59 PM

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very old Iban style I have seen it but can't remember where
the picture is .

Ben, I found the picture.

Not of the handle, but a picture of the blade and scabbard with another handle...
I really wonder where the handle is from.

Is the handle Iban ?
Is the blade Iban ?
Are they both Iban and... when where they joined together ?

Do the metal bands on the scabbard make it Iban ?
And if so, why where they only recently added ?

Is the shell any indication ?
or just recently added. etc ect

Considering this iban parang was assembled as a composite in the 21st century, is it worth considering the origin / style or age when it is in fact no longer an original combination of blade and handle at all.

A Puzzling Iban parang indeed.

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But I have an new one coming up

maybe better to bring up your next one

Dajak · 9th January 2009, 04:49 AM

Yes Willem they look the same very much this I get from an collector that I am sure he does not buy at oriental arms .

It must be (if they are the same) before he get it he has it several years at his wall that I now off.

It is coming from an collector from Rotterdam .

Metal bands does not look like an replace.

I like to see an close pic off the carving to be sure if it is the same .

Ben

Mytribalworld · 9th January 2009, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by David

Well, this isn't the first time you all have seen "human" faces on a Dayak hilt. but you may not have noticed them.
I presented this mandau some time back. There is a face kind of hidden on the top and these half hidden faces (circled) near each side of the "snout" of the hilt.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=mandau

Hi David,

Thanks for posting, but I was just trying to forget it....

regards,

Arjan

David · 9th January 2009, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mandaukudi

Hi David,

Thanks for posting, but I was just trying to forget it....

regards,

Arjan

Sorry...

asomotif · 9th January 2009, 11:11 PM

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Nice to see that somebody take the hilt off put an very nice one on it (that I did not see that it belong together it fits perfect even the metal bands)

Ben, put some detail pictures on the forum showing how the blade is fixed to the handle and also details of the metal bands.

Than I or other forumites can try to educate you, because it really surprises me that you did not notice this.

Ps. And what an amazing coincidence that the wooden (not spectacular hilt) that was on this parang when it was for sale at Artzi's, ended up on a mandau that I bought from you only a few months later. such a small world.

you really should be more carefull what you buy.
(And where you post the pictures

)

Gonzalo G · 7th February 2009, 10:30 PM

Silver Nickel
Pakfung
Paktong
Alpaca
German Silver
Berlin Silver
White Metal

Different names for the same alloy. I am an ignorant on this kind of weapons, and this reference to the use of german silver on them is an interesting point. I wonder if this was a common feature on their craft, and since when. This can be useful in dating an item, as it is on the case of the khukris.
Regards

Gonzalo

VVV · 8th February 2009, 08:18 AM

Willem, it looks like that coin and size is roughly the same.
Gonzalo, that kind of alloy as on Ben's handle isn't "standard" on these parang.

Michael

Gonzalo G · 9th February 2009, 04:05 AM

Thank you, Michael. This data is useful to me.
Regards

Gonzalo

8th January 2009, 06:45 PM	#4
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,239	Well, this isn't the first time you all have seen "human" faces on a Dayak hilt. but you may not have noticed them. I presented this mandau some time back. There is a face kind of hidden on the top and these half hidden faces (circled) near each side of the "snout" of the hilt. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=mandau Attached Images

7th February 2009, 10:30 PM	#11
Gonzalo G Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nothern Mexico Posts: 458	Silver Nickel Pakfung Paktong Alpaca German Silver Berlin Silver White Metal Different names for the same alloy. I am an ignorant on this kind of weapons, and this reference to the use of german silver on them is an interesting point. I wonder if this was a common feature on their craft, and since when. This can be useful in dating an item, as it is on the case of the khukris. Regards Gonzalo Last edited by Gonzalo G; 7th February 2009 at 10:45 PM.

7th January 2009, 08:46 AM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,894	Micheal I do not mean to confuse anybody, I am a bit confused that might be why I post it here. I like many others probably just see mandau. I just noted some similarity in the scabbard colour and binding also the blade. You guys seem to have all the answers?

8th January 2009, 08:41 PM	#5
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Thanks David for bringing up this But I did see also one that has same style as the one I have it has a few faces on the handle in same style . The one you looks like an old one but not an Iban style one . But the handle you have is an nice old one . Ben

9th January 2009, 04:49 AM	#7
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Yes Willem they look the same very much this I get from an collector that I am sure he does not buy at oriental arms . It must be (if they are the same) before he get it he has it several years at his wall that I now off. It is coming from an collector from Rotterdam . Metal bands does not look like an replace. I like to see an close pic off the carving to be sure if it is the same . Ben

8th February 2009, 08:18 AM	#12
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Willem, it looks like that coin and size is roughly the same. Gonzalo, that kind of alloy as on Ben's handle isn't "standard" on these parang. Michael

9th February 2009, 04:05 AM	#13
Gonzalo G Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nothern Mexico Posts: 458	Thank you, Michael. This data is useful to me. Regards Gonzalo