Seadajak Parang with rare scabbard

Dajak · 4th January 2009, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mandaukudi

Hi Ben,

No In my opinion the lower is a Dusun mandau from Kinabatingan area.

Arjan.

Nice blade that lower one I did ask because I see same style scabbard but with an
LT style blade in the scabbard after I left your nice shop .

Ben

VVV · 6th January 2009, 11:17 PM

Arjan, I am a bit puzzled with the hilt on the middle one?
Please let me know why it's Iban?
Is the lower one a Parang Gayang?

Tim, yours is nice too but I think you should post it in a separate thread as it's not related to the ones discussed in this thread. It's to confusing otherwise to comment it in relation to the other ones.

Michael

Tim Simmons · 7th January 2009, 08:46 AM

Micheal I do not mean to confuse anybody, I am a bit confused that might be why I post it here. I like many others probably just see mandau. I just noted some similarity in the scabbard colour and binding also the blade. You guys seem to have all the answers?

asomotif · 8th January 2009, 02:00 PM

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It does have an heavy blade and little heads on the handle .

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I am a bit puzzled with the hilt

The handle on Ben's 2nd parang is puzzling too. (with the little heads)
I have seen nothing like it before.

Where is it from Ben ?

Dajak · 8th January 2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by asomotif

The handle on Ben's 2nd parang is puzzling too. (with the little heads)
I have seen nothing like it before.

Where is it from Ben ?

Hi Willem this is very old Iban style I have seen it but can't remember where
the picture is .

As soon as I found it I will let it know .

But I have an new one coming up also with heads .

Ben

David · 8th January 2009, 06:45 PM

Well, this isn't the first time you all have seen "human" faces on a Dayak hilt. but you may not have noticed them.
I presented this mandau some time back. There is a face kind of hidden on the top and these half hidden faces (circled) near each side of the "snout" of the hilt.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=mandau

Dajak · 8th January 2009, 08:41 PM

Thanks David for bringing up this But I did see also one that has same style
as the one I have it has a few faces on the handle in same style .

The one you looks like an old one but not an Iban style one .

But the handle you have is an nice old one .

Ben

Mytribalworld · 9th January 2009, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Well, this isn't the first time you all have seen "human" faces on a Dayak hilt. but you may not have noticed them.
I presented this mandau some time back. There is a face kind of hidden on the top and these half hidden faces (circled) near each side of the "snout" of the hilt.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=mandau

Hi David,

Thanks for posting, but I was just trying to forget it....

regards,

Arjan

Gonzalo G · 7th February 2009, 10:30 PM

Silver Nickel
Pakfung
Paktong
Alpaca
German Silver
Berlin Silver
White Metal

Different names for the same alloy. I am an ignorant on this kind of weapons, and this reference to the use of german silver on them is an interesting point. I wonder if this was a common feature on their craft, and since when. This can be useful in dating an item, as it is on the case of the khukris.
Regards

Gonzalo

VVV · 8th February 2009, 08:18 AM

Willem, it looks like that coin and size is roughly the same.
Gonzalo, that kind of alloy as on Ben's handle isn't "standard" on these parang.

Michael

Gonzalo G · 9th February 2009, 04:05 AM

Thank you, Michael. This data is useful to me.
Regards

Gonzalo

Mytribalworld · 8th January 2009, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Arjan, I am a bit puzzled with the hilt on the middle one?
Please let me know why it's Iban?
Is the lower one a Parang Gayang?

Tim, yours is nice too but I think you should post it in a separate thread as it's not related to the ones discussed in this thread. It's to confusing otherwise to comment it in relation to the other ones.

Michael

Hi Michael,

The hilt is puzzling me too , I have the idea that this piece is from the north of Borneo below the Murut area but I have no proof.

The lower one is what I call a mandau from the Dusun tribe.

regards,

Arjan.

VVV · 10th January 2009, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mandaukudi

Hi Michael,

The hilt is puzzling me too , I have the idea that this piece is from the north of Borneo below the Murut area but I have no proof.

The lower one is what I call a mandau from the Dusun tribe.

regards,

Arjan.

Arjan,

Has the "mandau from the Dusun tribe" a flat blade with the same decorations on both sides?

Michael

Mytribalworld · 10th January 2009, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Arjan,

Has the "mandau from the Dusun tribe" a flat blade with the same decorations on both sides?

Michael

Hi Michael,

No it isn't flat, its holow like a mandau should be.

here some pics

Arjan

VVV · 10th January 2009, 01:11 PM

That's a bit odd if it should be Dusun as they didn't produce ilang themselves but acquired them from Sarawak or mostly Kalimantan?
The parang they did manufacture is the gayang with flat sides and usually ornaments on both sides.
Maybe your parang ilang is from one of the coastal tribes in Sarawak instead of Dusun?

Michael

Mytribalworld · 10th January 2009, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

That's a bit odd if it should be Dusun as they didn't produce ilang themselves but acquired them from Sarawak or mostly Kalimantan?
The parang they did manufacture is the gayang with flat sides and usually ornaments on both sides.
Maybe your parang ilang is from one of the coastal tribes in Sarawak instead of Dusun?

Michael

I don't think so, the reason why I think its Dusun ( or Kinabatingan area at least) is that I saw two sword in the KIT wich are in style like mines however mines is a more simple one. They are both decribed as Kinabatangan river. The description in the KIT are mostly very secure. Also the handle has the shape of plate 151 in Hornbill and dragon ( described as Dusun) a lot in common with my example. The Dusun was as far as I know the tribe who lived there in that area. You can recognize them on the triangular shap of the handle,the zig-zag line what mostly on handle and sometimes also on scabbard,the mostly grooved hooks in the carving and the scabbard what wears a square plate with carvings in stead of the mostly triangular shape of other tribes.Mostly carved with flowermotifs or stars.
Can you show me an example of the parang Gayang?

Arjan

see link http://collectie.tropenmuseum.nl/nBa...=&culturenode=

8th January 2009, 06:45 PM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,239	Well, this isn't the first time you all have seen "human" faces on a Dayak hilt. but you may not have noticed them. I presented this mandau some time back. There is a face kind of hidden on the top and these half hidden faces (circled) near each side of the "snout" of the hilt. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=mandau Attached Images

7th February 2009, 10:30 PM	#9
Gonzalo G Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nothern Mexico Posts: 458	Silver Nickel Pakfung Paktong Alpaca German Silver Berlin Silver White Metal Different names for the same alloy. I am an ignorant on this kind of weapons, and this reference to the use of german silver on them is an interesting point. I wonder if this was a common feature on their craft, and since when. This can be useful in dating an item, as it is on the case of the khukris. Regards Gonzalo Last edited by Gonzalo G; 7th February 2009 at 10:45 PM.

6th January 2009, 11:17 PM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Arjan, I am a bit puzzled with the hilt on the middle one? Please let me know why it's Iban? Is the lower one a Parang Gayang? Tim, yours is nice too but I think you should post it in a separate thread as it's not related to the ones discussed in this thread. It's to confusing otherwise to comment it in relation to the other ones. Michael

7th January 2009, 08:46 AM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,894	Micheal I do not mean to confuse anybody, I am a bit confused that might be why I post it here. I like many others probably just see mandau. I just noted some similarity in the scabbard colour and binding also the blade. You guys seem to have all the answers?

8th January 2009, 08:41 PM	#7
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Thanks David for bringing up this But I did see also one that has same style as the one I have it has a few faces on the handle in same style . The one you looks like an old one but not an Iban style one . But the handle you have is an nice old one . Ben

8th February 2009, 08:18 AM	#10
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Willem, it looks like that coin and size is roughly the same. Gonzalo, that kind of alloy as on Ben's handle isn't "standard" on these parang. Michael

9th February 2009, 04:05 AM	#11
Gonzalo G Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nothern Mexico Posts: 458	Thank you, Michael. This data is useful to me. Regards Gonzalo

10th January 2009, 01:11 PM	#15
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	That's a bit odd if it should be Dusun as they didn't produce ilang themselves but acquired them from Sarawak or mostly Kalimantan? The parang they did manufacture is the gayang with flat sides and usually ornaments on both sides. Maybe your parang ilang is from one of the coastal tribes in Sarawak instead of Dusun? Michael