Help with talismanic inscriptions?

VVV · 13th December 2008, 08:06 AM

Thanks,

On talismanic inlays, as well as other spiritual matters, in most cultures it's usually considered stronger if it's foreign.
So maybe this is the case? A visayan sword with Lumad (inspired or copied?) engravings?
Maybe someone else recognise something on this blade?
Do you think the blade motifs might be related to (evil) eyes or is it something else?

Michael

Spunjer · 13th December 2008, 04:51 PM

hi michael,
i was looking at one of my binangons and i remember this unusual feature:

this binangon:
http://www.arscives.com/historysteel...s1/202-rz6.jpg

at first glance, it could be assumed that a hugh rasp file (at least 20" by 2.5")was used as blank to make the blade. granted it was, but why not grind it until there's no sign that it was a rasp file? or was it left there on purpose? remember; bakunawa = dragon

here's a motif from a recent kris that i haven't cleaned yet:

VVV · 14th December 2008, 11:23 AM

Hi Ron,

Bakunawa and scales is an interesting idea that I haven't heard of before.
Here are some new pictures of the bolo I only had a link to before.

Michael

Spunjer · 14th December 2008, 04:19 PM

without a doubt, it is a bakunawa, more pronounced than the Ilonggo version. thanks for the close ups. the lean on the blade is something i find unusual. pretty cool, tho.

VVV · 14th February 2009, 11:19 AM

Here is a motif I haven't seen on kris blades before - the star cluster.
It was a pleasant surprise as the pictures on ebay was of a very low quality so it was impossible to see what the blade really looked like.
Also an unusual hanger attached to the scabbard on this Maranao kris.
The hilt and scabbard however aren't that exciting.
Any ideas or references for this motif?

Michael

kai · 14th February 2009, 01:57 PM

Congrats, Michael!

The blade looks Sulu to me - hilt possibly Maguindanao?

This "star" motif seems to be related to the smaller "stars"/"bird footprints" sometmes seen on older Moro blades. A thumbnail of a really nice example is published in vZ (sundang)...

The small peg for holding the scabbard in the sash seems to be quite common with these Maguindanao scabbards.

Regards,
Kai

VVV · 14th February 2009, 04:24 PM

Maybe I was too fast with describing the blade as Maranao?
I went for the Cato classification but I agree that the rest looks more Sulu.
On the van Z thumb nail picture I can't really see if it's stars or the more common dots?
Do you have any other reference picture?

Michael

14th December 2008, 11:23 AM	#3
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Hi Ron, Bakunawa and scales is an interesting idea that I haven't heard of before. Here are some new pictures of the bolo I only had a link to before. Michael Attached Images

14th February 2009, 11:19 AM	#5
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Here is a motif I haven't seen on kris blades before - the star cluster. It was a pleasant surprise as the pictures on ebay was of a very low quality so it was impossible to see what the blade really looked like. Also an unusual hanger attached to the scabbard on this Maranao kris. The hilt and scabbard however aren't that exciting. Any ideas or references for this motif? Michael Attached Images

13th December 2008, 08:06 AM	#1
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks, On talismanic inlays, as well as other spiritual matters, in most cultures it's usually considered stronger if it's foreign. So maybe this is the case? A visayan sword with Lumad (inspired or copied?) engravings? Maybe someone else recognise something on this blade? Do you think the blade motifs might be related to (evil) eyes or is it something else? Michael

13th December 2008, 04:51 PM	#2
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	hi michael, i was looking at one of my binangons and i remember this unusual feature: this binangon: http://www.arscives.com/historysteel...s1/202-rz6.jpg at first glance, it could be assumed that a hugh rasp file (at least 20" by 2.5")was used as blank to make the blade. granted it was, but why not grind it until there's no sign that it was a rasp file? or was it left there on purpose? remember; bakunawa = dragon here's a motif from a recent kris that i haven't cleaned yet:

14th December 2008, 04:19 PM	#4
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	without a doubt, it is a bakunawa, more pronounced than the Ilonggo version. thanks for the close ups. the lean on the blade is something i find unusual. pretty cool, tho.

14th February 2009, 01:57 PM	#6
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Congrats, Michael! The blade looks Sulu to me - hilt possibly Maguindanao? This "star" motif seems to be related to the smaller "stars"/"bird footprints" sometmes seen on older Moro blades. A thumbnail of a really nice example is published in vZ (sundang)... The small peg for holding the scabbard in the sash seems to be quite common with these Maguindanao scabbards. Regards, Kai

14th February 2009, 04:24 PM	#7
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Maybe I was too fast with describing the blade as Maranao? I went for the Cato classification but I agree that the rest looks more Sulu. On the van Z thumb nail picture I can't really see if it's stars or the more common dots? Do you have any other reference picture? Michael