Langgai tinggang

Dajak · 7th December 2008, 08:58 AM

Hi Maurice even pieces like this are hard to find in museums .

It comes from an Dutch collection I have still to ask the history about it,
will let you know when you come over here to visit me .

I did get some very rare items from Borneo you will be surprised .

this is the typical Iban Handle that you can find in Saribas .

If you see this one in real you will be surprised from the heavy blade and that
it looks better than I get it on the pics .

Ben

VVV · 7th December 2008, 09:17 AM

A true beauty!

The scabbard is indeed unusual for a LT. Usually they are much more plain, if they have a scabbard left at all.
Unusually cubistic head on the handle too as well as the unorthodox (for a LT) protrusions on the top of the tip.
A very interesting and rare version of the already rare LT-parang - congratulations!

Michael

Dajak · 7th December 2008, 10:45 AM

Hi Michael

Thanks the handle is typical for the saribas area the Ibans there did use
this type in the book Iban Art from Heppel there are several nice Handle s
to see .

The scabbard is rare the krowit dissapear in the round wooden tube.
And also rare on Iban weapons are the pocket for the pisau raout.

Ben

kronckew · 7th December 2008, 12:41 PM

mine with a wooden grip isn't quite up to that standard....

nice to hear they are rare....i think mine is a bit newer than most tho....

VVV · 7th December 2008, 05:12 PM

Here are the 2 other variations of krowit that could be seen on a LT.
I haven't seen any other variations than these 3 but maybe someone else has?

Michael

Dajak · 7th December 2008, 07:33 PM

Nice example s Michael can you show the complete blade .

I was this day with some famous collectors showing the Langgai tingang
and it was reconised that is from the Herbert Da Silva collection .

Wich was at christie's in Amsterdam in 2001 .

Ben

Maurice · 22nd February 2010, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Here are the 2 other variations of krowit that could be seen on a LT.
I haven't seen any other variations than these 3 but maybe someone else has?

Michael

Hi Michael,

is this another variation, or should we consider this not to be a LT but some kind of variant or transition piece?

Maurice

VVV · 22nd February 2010, 07:27 PM

Hi Maurice,

It looks like a "Stefan-variation" but as you have made your own pictures of it I assume it's no longer for sale.
I think it's a LT-variation #3 as I don't put weight on the added crowit features surrounding the kundieng. But that's just my ideas...

Nice buy!

Michael

Maurice · 7th December 2008, 07:40 PM

Ben, thanks for the additional pics. I really like those handles. I myself have two of those handles with headfigures. (unfortunately not on a langgai tinggang).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

It comes from an Dutch collection I have still to ask the history about it,
will let you know when you come over here to visit me .

I thought the Netherlands should be a small country. It seemed to be bigger as I thought. I didn,t know the former owner!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

I did get some very rare items from Borneo you will be surprised .

I believe you, till next month!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

If you see this one in real you will be surprised from the heavy blade and that
it looks better than I get it on the pics .

I love the blades to be heavy. The heavier the better. And I now a seller who has problems the otherway around as you do. Better pics than in real!

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Here are the 2 other variations of krowit that could be seen on a LT.
I haven't seen any other variations than these 3 but maybe someone else has?

I wish I had Michael........at least one of the 3 depicted in this thread coming year????

VVV · 7th December 2008, 08:03 PM

Hi Ben,

Here are the blades.
But it was the krowit variations that were interesting.

Also my latest LT with the sellers e-Bay pictures.
The krowit variation is the same as Ben's but the blade isn't as nice as his.
The hilt however is quite unusual. I think it's old style West Kalimantan Iban.

Michael

Tim Simmons · 7th December 2008, 08:07 PM

The wire on the handle looks like zinc and copper? or is it a type of rattan?

VVV · 7th December 2008, 08:44 PM

It's rattan.

Michael

Dajak · 8th December 2008, 03:07 AM

Hi Michael the first 2 pieces are missing the fat metal below the handle that
we mostly see on the L T the one you will get has the metal below the Handle .

Are the 2 first ones have heavy blade's ??

It looks that those 2 are more an variation between the parang niabor / L T

can you send close upp pics off the handle s .

Ben

VVV · 8th December 2008, 04:59 AM

Hi Ben.

I already have the last one but I haven't had time to take my own pictures of it.
The "missing" fat metal is common but not something that always is there.
The LT in the museum of Nijmegen for instance doesn't have it either.
That one also has a triangular crowit resembling my first (and the one pictured in Iban Art).
All of them have thick shoulders and are quite heavy, but well balanced.
It's interesting that the one described in Shelford doesn't seem to have the crowit we usually associate with a LT?
There seems to be quite a variation of features on the LT, like the Ilang.
On the best one I have seen so far the crowit stands out even more than your other one
(the one that I owned for some years) and the blade is heavy decorated.

Michael

7th December 2008, 08:58 AM	#1
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Maurice even pieces like this are hard to find in museums . It comes from an Dutch collection I have still to ask the history about it, will let you know when you come over here to visit me . I did get some very rare items from Borneo you will be surprised . this is the typical Iban Handle that you can find in Saribas . If you see this one in real you will be surprised from the heavy blade and that it looks better than I get it on the pics . Ben Attached Images

7th December 2008, 05:12 PM	#5
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Here are the 2 other variations of krowit that could be seen on a LT. I haven't seen any other variations than these 3 but maybe someone else has? Michael Attached Images

7th December 2008, 08:03 PM	#10
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Hi Ben, Here are the blades. But it was the krowit variations that were interesting. Also my latest LT with the sellers e-Bay pictures. The krowit variation is the same as Ben's but the blade isn't as nice as his. The hilt however is quite unusual. I think it's old style West Kalimantan Iban. Michael Attached Images

8th December 2008, 04:59 AM	#14
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Hi Ben. I already have the last one but I haven't had time to take my own pictures of it. The "missing" fat metal is common but not something that always is there. The LT in the museum of Nijmegen for instance doesn't have it either. That one also has a triangular crowit resembling my first (and the one pictured in Iban Art). All of them have thick shoulders and are quite heavy, but well balanced. It's interesting that the one described in Shelford doesn't seem to have the crowit we usually associate with a LT? There seems to be quite a variation of features on the LT, like the Ilang. On the best one I have seen so far the crowit stands out even more than your other one (the one that I owned for some years) and the blade is heavy decorated. Michael Attached Images

7th December 2008, 09:17 AM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	A true beauty! The scabbard is indeed unusual for a LT. Usually they are much more plain, if they have a scabbard left at all. Unusually cubistic head on the handle too as well as the unorthodox (for a LT) protrusions on the top of the tip. A very interesting and rare version of the already rare LT-parang - congratulations! Michael

7th December 2008, 10:45 AM	#3
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Michael Thanks the handle is typical for the saribas area the Ibans there did use this type in the book Iban Art from Heppel there are several nice Handle s to see . The scabbard is rare the krowit dissapear in the round wooden tube. And also rare on Iban weapons are the pocket for the pisau raout. Ben

7th December 2008, 12:41 PM	#4
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,250	mine with a wooden grip isn't quite up to that standard.... nice to hear they are rare....i think mine is a bit newer than most tho....

7th December 2008, 07:33 PM	#6
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Nice example s Michael can you show the complete blade . I was this day with some famous collectors showing the Langgai tingang and it was reconised that is from the Herbert Da Silva collection . Wich was at christie's in Amsterdam in 2001 . Ben

22nd February 2010, 07:27 PM	#8
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Hi Maurice, It looks like a "Stefan-variation" but as you have made your own pictures of it I assume it's no longer for sale. I think it's a LT-variation #3 as I don't put weight on the added crowit features surrounding the kundieng. But that's just my ideas... Nice buy! Michael

7th December 2008, 08:07 PM	#11
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,891	The wire on the handle looks like zinc and copper? or is it a type of rattan?

7th December 2008, 08:44 PM	#12
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	It's rattan. Michael

8th December 2008, 03:07 AM	#13
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Michael the first 2 pieces are missing the fat metal below the handle that we mostly see on the L T the one you will get has the metal below the Handle . Are the 2 first ones have heavy blade's ?? It looks that those 2 are more an variation between the parang niabor / L T can you send close upp pics off the handle s . Ben