Ancient Spear Or Forgery?

tom hyle · 13th April 2005, 02:35 AM

The pictures take a while; I never saw the end of the socket before. It seems thicker than proper; is it flanged from being beaten upon? Is it folded-over to the in side? Or is it straight-up just that thick? Anyway, the socket, especially the inside, is where you'll either likely see casting lines, or a forging line where it was rolled up, and maybe a tanglike nub from the blade-base. I personally think I may see a casting line disapearing into that shadow. I, too, suspect a casting, late 19th/early 20th, and moreso with that thick socket end, but I'm not sure. How old is the break at the tip? it does not look sharpened? Is there crystalize "grain" visible? Ie pebbly surface? Is there delamination/layers visible here or anywhere?

Jens Nordlunde · 13th April 2005, 02:27 PM

For a partizan it looks more heavy than normally seen, so I agree that it is cast.

Jens

derek · 13th April 2005, 07:00 PM

Doesn't the socket seem a bit too short to be functional?

-d

wolviex · 13th April 2005, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by derek

Doesn't the socket seem a bit too short to be functional?

Even if it is too short, it doesn't matter because it is decorative not functional

Tim Simmons · 13th April 2005, 07:53 PM

Could the name partizan have routes in parti and partir and indicates it was a decorative tool on a long pole to section the line when needed?Tim

Rick · 13th April 2005, 08:24 PM

I'm thinking 19c. revival piece in poor condition possibly recovered from a trash pit by a bottle digger . That would account for the heavy rusting .

Rick
/only an opinion , I used to dig bottles .

fearn · 13th April 2005, 08:27 PM

Hi Tim,

I'd suggest you might use the same logic on the Bohemian Ear Spoon, which I believe was fairly similar to the Partizan.

Quite honestly, I'm not sure where the term came from. The dictionary says it's of French derivation, and I don't know whether it's what partisans were armed with or what. It's another one of those wonderful European pole arms that are supposed to slice, dice, skewer, and never lose their cool look...

Fearn

Tim Simmons · 13th April 2005, 08:38 PM

I cleaned mine this morning thank you

I was looking closely and if it is a casting in iron it is extemely well done after all that rusting,unless it was faked up,but it would cost more to fake than what it would sell for.Tim

13th April 2005, 08:38 PM	#8
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,856	I cleaned mine this morning thank you I was looking closely and if it is a casting in iron it is extemely well done after all that rusting,unless it was faked up,but it would cost more to fake than what it would sell for.Tim Last edited by Tim Simmons; 13th April 2005 at 08:50 PM.

13th April 2005, 02:35 AM	#1
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	The pictures take a while; I never saw the end of the socket before. It seems thicker than proper; is it flanged from being beaten upon? Is it folded-over to the in side? Or is it straight-up just that thick? Anyway, the socket, especially the inside, is where you'll either likely see casting lines, or a forging line where it was rolled up, and maybe a tanglike nub from the blade-base. I personally think I may see a casting line disapearing into that shadow. I, too, suspect a casting, late 19th/early 20th, and moreso with that thick socket end, but I'm not sure. How old is the break at the tip? it does not look sharpened? Is there crystalize "grain" visible? Ie pebbly surface? Is there delamination/layers visible here or anywhere?

13th April 2005, 02:27 PM	#2
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	For a partizan it looks more heavy than normally seen, so I agree that it is cast. Jens

13th April 2005, 07:00 PM	#3
derek Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 215	Doesn't the socket seem a bit too short to be functional? -d

13th April 2005, 07:53 PM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,856	Could the name partizan have routes in parti and partir and indicates it was a decorative tool on a long pole to section the line when needed?Tim

13th April 2005, 08:24 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	I'm thinking 19c. revival piece in poor condition possibly recovered from a trash pit by a bottle digger . That would account for the heavy rusting . Rick /only an opinion , I used to dig bottles .

13th April 2005, 08:27 PM	#7
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	Hi Tim, I'd suggest you might use the same logic on the Bohemian Ear Spoon, which I believe was fairly similar to the Partizan. Quite honestly, I'm not sure where the term came from. The dictionary says it's of French derivation, and I don't know whether it's what partisans were armed with or what. It's another one of those wonderful European pole arms that are supposed to slice, dice, skewer, and never lose their cool look... Fearn