GERMAN SIDEARM?? for I.D Please

[Iliad]

Hi everyone. I am the owner of the item, which my good friend Stu has kindly posted for me. There are no markings other than those already mentioned.
I shall attempt to attach 2 pics of the piece side by side with a Snider sword bayonet, for comparative purposes. Thank you for your assistance. Brian

[Atlantia]

http://www.old-smithy.info/bayonets/...n%20models.htm

About half way down the page. Still can't place tha hilt on yours.

[Iliad]

Atlantia, thank you so much for the time and effort which you have put in on my behalf. Do you think that the 08 on the back edge could refer to 1908?
Brian

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by Iliad

Atlantia, thank you so much for the time and effort which you have put in on my behalf. Do you think that the 08 on the back edge could refer to 1908?
Brian

Hi Brian.

Well, there are much (much much) more knowledgeable members than me, and I'm suprised they haven't seen this thread yet. I'm sure when they do they'll solve this completely for you.
If this sword/bayonet was British then having '08 could refer to the pattern, issue date or even the date it was removed from service. Can you take a snap of the back edge?
I'm really no expert on these, especially the German ones. I just had one like the one I've pictured with the W & ST markings and remembered it.
I really like these bayonets/swords especially the gladius and Yataghan ones. To find one that seems to be a hybrid of the two styles is really interesting.

The Yataghan style blade as far as I know is exclusively for bayonets, while the gladius style hilt seems to be reserved for 'short swords' issued to Artillery/Pioneer and lighter versions to bandsmen.
If the '08 is indeed a date, then its far to late for the blade and may indicate a deliberate hybrid using a old blade. I'm as intrigued as you to find out if the blade was recut prior to issue or to hide damage afterwards.
Either way, I love it!

Regards
Gene

[Iliad]

Good morning/evening Gene, thank you once again for your input. I have taken a pic of the back edge, which shows the crown over 0 over 08. Then, something which I had not noticed before, there is a very tiny crown over what looks like an "R". I hope that the pic comes through ok, I am of the older generation and computers are new-fangled inventions of the devil!I am still getting used to electricity.
Brian

[Iliad]

Hi all,
Sorry about resurrecting an old thread, but I think that I have solved this little mystery. I believe this piece to be a Bavarian Model 1892 Artillery sword, with a shortened blade, reduced by 3 - 4 inches.
Brian