Size Difference of Moro Spears

zamboanga · 11th December 2004, 10:03 AM

mabagani, yes that's a tausug saruk tinambigasan - a salakot to most other tribes. the flag is used in the war dance tamingan of the yakans. as to differences among spears, i'll post later a comparative picture of these budiaks (1 is tausug and the rest are yakans). i havent had the chance in seeing and possessing budiaks or sankils of the other tribes.

if it were not for security issues, i'd love to visit basilan again soon. there are a lot of questions that can be answered there plus the opportunity to take pictures of a yakan swordmaker at work.

Tim Simmons · 11th December 2004, 05:26 PM

Hi, is this a Moro spear?[IMG]http://[/IMG] The blade is 32 cm ,the total spear length is 152cm, and finnished with a rather nice small horn pommel.Tim

MABAGANI · 11th December 2004, 06:10 PM

Tim, see Malay World Edged Weapons site- http://perso.wanadoo.fr/taman.sari/ , discription under Indonesian tombak.

Tim Simmons · 11th December 2004, 08:54 PM

Hi,thank you ,Malaysia or Java thats quite a distance betwean the two.I do not know much about pieces from this area.I will collect anything that seems right at the time.Tim

tom hyle · 15th December 2004, 02:40 AM

Tim, I think that might be Sumatran. Note the small disk guard, the swelled tip, and the second ferule (that is a second ferule, isn't it?).

MABAGANI · 15th December 2004, 06:02 AM

From the Malay World Edged Weapons site- http://perso.wanadoo.fr/taman.sari/ -"The Malay Peninsula Lembing usually has a raised central ridge (ada-ada) and it is elongated. The shaft is decorated with a long ferrule with engraved silver or copper and a disk between the blade and the ferrule."
btw if we were to broaden the term from the earliest Spanish use "Moro" -interconnected groups would have included Muslim Malay kingdoms of Brunei, Makassar, Ternate, Tidore aside from Mindanao and Sulu, but classically we refer to the two later regions.

11th December 2004, 05:26 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,890	Hi, is this a Moro spear?[IMG]http://[/IMG] The blade is 32 cm ,the total spear length is 152cm, and finnished with a rather nice small horn pommel.Tim Attached Images

15th December 2004, 06:02 AM	#6
MABAGANI Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 221	From the Malay World Edged Weapons site- http://perso.wanadoo.fr/taman.sari/ -"The Malay Peninsula Lembing usually has a raised central ridge (ada-ada) and it is elongated. The shaft is decorated with a long ferrule with engraved silver or copper and a disk between the blade and the ferrule." btw if we were to broaden the term from the earliest Spanish use "Moro" -interconnected groups would have included Muslim Malay kingdoms of Brunei, Makassar, Ternate, Tidore aside from Mindanao and Sulu, but classically we refer to the two later regions. Last edited by MABAGANI; 15th December 2004 at 06:34 AM.

11th December 2004, 10:03 AM	#1
zamboanga Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: zamboanga city, philippines Posts: 132	mabagani, yes that's a tausug saruk tinambigasan - a salakot to most other tribes. the flag is used in the war dance tamingan of the yakans. as to differences among spears, i'll post later a comparative picture of these budiaks (1 is tausug and the rest are yakans). i havent had the chance in seeing and possessing budiaks or sankils of the other tribes. if it were not for security issues, i'd love to visit basilan again soon. there are a lot of questions that can be answered there plus the opportunity to take pictures of a yakan swordmaker at work.

11th December 2004, 06:10 PM	#3
MABAGANI Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 221	Tim, see Malay World Edged Weapons site- http://perso.wanadoo.fr/taman.sari/ , discription under Indonesian tombak.

11th December 2004, 08:54 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,890	Hi,thank you ,Malaysia or Java thats quite a distance betwean the two.I do not know much about pieces from this area.I will collect anything that seems right at the time.Tim

15th December 2004, 02:40 AM	#5
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Tim, I think that might be Sumatran. Note the small disk guard, the swelled tip, and the second ferule (that is a second ferule, isn't it?).