Keris Bali

[David]

Beautiful dress.
As for dhapur, you are probably safe making up your own name here is you feel you need one. This appears to be a new "creative" design.

[A. G. Maisey]

How about:-

naga angsa luk sembilan ??

[brekele]

How about angsa nyosor luk 9 ??

[A. G. Maisey]

I don't think we can have a verb as a dhapur name, Brekele.

We could probably call it "cucuk angsa luk songo" ( nine wave swan --or goose-- beak), if we wanted to give it a Javanese name.

But since it is a modern creation it is probably more politically correct to give it an Indonesian, rather than a Javanese name, so then we could call it "paruh angsa luk sembilan" (means the same thing).

But I don't think we could call it "angsa nyorsor":- "to peck by a goose". Actually since it is a swan (which is the same name as a goose in Javanese and Indonesian) "pecked by a goose" would be "kesosor" ( the 'angsa' is understood) or in the past, "disosor angsa".

[Newsteel]

Nice new keris there. But I am wondering what did the maker trying to express or signify by using goose or maybe swan on his keris.

[David]

I would say that it is undoubtably a swan. Swans have significance in many cultures, even the Hindi vedic scriptures. But this may well be aimed a a Western market. Hard to say. Scroll down for some swan mythology :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swan

[Battara]

Noticed that the hilt is Hanuman - is it solid silver?

Also, Brahman is known to ride a swan....

[Newsteel]

Originally Posted by David

I would say that it is undoubtably a swan. Swans have significance in many cultures, even the Hindi vedic scriptures. But this may well be aimed a a Western market. Hard to say. Scroll down for some swan mythology :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swan

Thanks David. Abstracted from that wiki given.

"Swans are revered in many religions and cultures, especially Hinduism. The Sanskrit word for swan is hamsa or hansa, and it is the vehicle of many deities like the goddess Saraswati. It is mentioned several times in the Vedic literature, and persons who have attained great spiritual capabilities are sometimes called Paramahamsa ("Great Swan") on account of their spiritual grace and ability to travel between various spiritual worlds. In the Vedas, swans are said to reside in the summer on Lake Manasarovar and migrate to Indian lakes for the winter, eat pearls, and separate milk from water in a mixture of both. Hindu iconography typically shows the Mute Swan. It is wrongly supposed by many historians that the word hamsa only refers to a goose, since today swans are no longer found in India, not even in most zoos. However, ornithological checklists clearly classify several species of swans as vagrant birds in India."

Also learned that a swan is described in Hindu mysticism as possessing the unique faculty of separating pure milk from a mixture of milk and water. It is reputed to have the ability to draw the milk alone and leave the water behind. Similarly does a man of Realization move about in the world recognizing the one divinity in the pluralistic phenomena of the world.

[brekele]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

I don't think we can have a verb as a dhapur name, Brekele.

We could probably call it "cucuk angsa luk songo" ( nine wave swan --or goose-- beak), if we wanted to give it a Javanese name.

But since it is a modern creation it is probably more politically correct to give it an Indonesian, rather than a Javanese name, so then we could call it "paruh angsa luk sembilan" (means the same thing).

But I don't think we could call it "angsa nyorsor":- "to peck by a goose". Actually since it is a swan (which is the same name as a goose in Javanese and Indonesian) "pecked by a goose" would be "kesosor" ( the 'angsa' is understood) or in the past, "disosor angsa".

Your corection is right Alan. Paruh angsa luk sembilan is sound better.

[A. G. Maisey]

Well there we are:- we've got a new dhapur.

Dunno if Kraton Surakarta would accept it.

Probably OK in Kraton Warkoker though.

(Kraton Warkoker:- Kraton Warung Kopi Keris---Indonesians love acronyms)

Re the swan:- I reckon the maker was trying to express his need for recognition by the mighty god Duit---yeah, I know, I'm a cynic.

[Mamat Lombok]

dear Mr.Brekele...The Swan symbol in bali / lombok called SARASWATI ( one of Hindhu's GOD ) , i also collect luk 9 Saraswati in silver design with Kojongan / sandang walikat scabbard

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Well there we are:- we've got a new dhapur.

Dunno if Kraton Surakarta would accept it.
Probably OK in Kraton Warkoker though.

(Kraton Warkoker:- Kraton Warung Kopi Keris---Indonesians love acronyms)

Re the swan:- I reckon the maker was trying to express his need for recognition by the mighty god Duit---yeah, I know, I'm a cynic.

Hi Alan,
Nice name.. Since this is a Balinese blade, does it makes a different if Kraton Surakarta accept it or not?