More Chinese stuff

[Gavin Nugent]

Hehe, I am a jester and I am always willing to push the boundries Andrew, have a look in side, let's see what happens if I move the lid a little I do love to play.

Now I could understand nics and chips in the melee associated with large numbers coming face to face with large numbers or cavalry swords beating down on infantry....is there anything coming out of the.... box....

Gav

[Chris Evans]

Originally Posted by freebooter

Hehe, I am a jester and I am always willing to push the boundries Andrew, have a look in side, let's see what happens if I move the lid a little I do love to play.

Now I could understand nics and chips in the melee associated with large numbers coming face to face with large numbers or cavalry swords beating down on infantry....is there anything coming out of the.... box....

Gav

Hi Gavin,

This is old territory - I know exactly what's in that can, but I made myself a promise not to ever get involved in another theoretical discussion of fencing on a forum.

However..... How are the blades sharpened? If you divide the blade into three sections, how would you describe the angle of the edge? Like very sharp all the way from the hilt to point or blunt for the first third becoming increasingly sharper towards the point?

Cheers
Chris

[Gavin Nugent]

I wont go there then Chris, I do remember the read quite some time ago,

As for these blades, they both share the fine edge from hilt to tip, but the spine tapers from 9mm at the hilt to just under 1mm at the point where the fullers end then it flares again ever so slightly to 1mm whilst continuing to the tip, all the time retaining the beautifuuly bevelled cutting edge the entire length.

regards

Gav

[Chris Evans]

Originally Posted by freebooter

I wont go there then Chris, I do remember the read quite some time ago,

As for these blades, they both share the fine edge from hilt to tip, but the spine tapers from 9mm at the hilt to just under 1mm at the point where the fullers end then it flares again ever so slightly to 1mm whilst continuing to the tip, all the time retaining the beautifuuly bevelled cutting edge the entire length.

regards

Gav

Hi Gavin,

Thanks for posting these details.

Well, then perhaps we can say with some confidence that at least the edges of these particular swords were not intended for parrying.

As an afterthought, any chance of you posting the dimesions, such as overall length, blade length, maximum and minimum blade width, as well as weight?

Cheers
Chris

[Klas Larsson]

Hi Gavin, I like to show an example of a similar looking shuang dao, that I have.

They are fabulous in the hands and sing sweetly through the air I am chuffed

And I must agree on that, the move so good, new ones I have are much to heavy and clumsy for practice, and I was very pleased when I found these, chuffed is the word...

These looks very much the same, but hard to know just from pictures. But reading this

As for these blades, they both share the fine edge from hilt to tip, but the spine tapers from 9mm at the hilt to just under 1mm at the point where the fullers end

I see they are much thinner at the hilt. They are 74 centimeters long, and blades are 60 centimeters, with 4 millimeters thickness, and 31 millimeters width at the hilt, giving them point of balance at 14 centimeters from the handle. The condition is very good but with a few nicks, but it sounds like I shouldn't dwell on that, seeing that there have been heated debates although that looks like its from play, not actual usage...

[Gavin Nugent]

Originally Posted by Klas Larsson

Hi Gavin, I like to show an example of a similar looking shuang dao, that I have. And I must agree on that, the move so good, new ones I have are much to heavy and clumsy for practice, and I was very pleased when I found these, chuffed is the word...

These looks very much the same, but hard to know just from pictures. But reading this I see they are much thinner at the hilt. They are 74 centimeters long, and blades are 60 centimeters, with 4 millimeters thickness, and 31 millimeters width at the hilt, giving them point of balance at 14 centimeters from the handle. The condition is very good but with a few nicks, but it sounds like I shouldn't dwell on that, seeing that there have been heated debates although that looks like its from play, not actual usage...

Thanks for coming in Klas,

Great to see another pair shared. Personally I have never been sure on the shuang dao with the cupped brass guards and although I have come across a number of them over the years I have avoided them in preference to the steel guard dao. Upon seeing these though, I am swaying a little more, the wrap is consistant, though not wrapped in a manner to which I am accustomed and they sport lanyards of the same material too . They are also more consistant with a length that I thought would have been more suitable to use in combat and share the same triple fuller arrangement, do they show a hardened inserted edge at all?
The pommels have a nice hoof profile, though they do differ somewhat in the fact that mine have a flat surface on the inside, not that they sit flat against each other in the scabbard, just an observation.
The hilt length is just under 180mm to the underside of the guard, the blade length 770m from guard to tip, 35mm wide across at the hilt and at their widest point are 50mm. The balance point on these are 210mm from the guard.
I do wonder what the colouring of the scabbard, the varience in length and the solid brass guards do mean overall.
Thank you for offering up another lovely pair of unusual swords, I like them very much...now to hunt some more down....I certainly would like to play with some shorter versions.

thanks

Gav

Gav

[Chris Evans]

Hi Gavin,

Thank you for going to the trouble of posting the sword's dimensions, especially the POB. Any idea of their individual weight?

Klas Larsson,

Lovely swords - Thanks for sharing.

Cheers
Chris