The best "Tulwar" I have ever bought

fernando · 26th September 2008, 08:00 PM

I wonder where Zonneveld fetched the version that Podang derives from a Portuguese term.
Espadão means 'large sword' and is the alternative name for Montante (Great sword), a huge thing, about twice the size of the Podang (pedang/Peudeung).
On the other hand he tipifies Podang as a slightly curved sabre, whereas what the Portuguese dealt with, at the time their weapons and namings might have left their influence, were straight swords.
Later he sugests that the Podang's shape maybe an imitation of Indian and Portuguese swords, and i fail to discern how such two are comparable ... specially on the hilt langets

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Finaly, you don't write 'Espadao' but 'Espadão', which makes a lot of difference. The nasal (unique) diphtong 'ão' sounds more like 'espadaum' than 'espadan' ... and never 'espadang'; no word terminates or sounds as having a 'g' in Portuguese.
... this not pretending that Zonneveld's proposal is wrong

I wish i could find some track.

Fernando

Rick · 27th September 2008, 12:41 AM

Royston,
First you show us a curved Piso to discuss; then you post a straight example ...

Which sword are we discussing ??

Royston · 27th September 2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Royston,First you show us a curved Piso to discuss; then you post a straight example ...*

Which sword are we discussing ??

Rick,Sorry about the confusion.* I get sidetracked too easily*

I think the straight blades are more interesting,* so I'll stick to them.Any more information or photos would be gratefully received.RegardsRoyston

RSWORD · 27th September 2008, 11:36 AM

Your straight bladed example has a lovely pattern welded blade and you can clearly see the lamination which is a bold pattern in the central portion of the blade with wavy laminations along each edge. Hard to say if it is native or Indian made. You do see similar patterns in both cultures. For example, sikim blades from Atjeh can have similar patterns but I have also seen tulwar with very similar forging. Given the long standing trade routes between India and Sumatra and the fact the Piso Podang hilt is based on an early tulwar style hilt I wouldn't be surprised if the forging techniques also crossed over.

26th September 2008, 08:00 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	A riddle I wonder where Zonneveld fetched the version that Podang derives from a Portuguese term. Espadão means 'large sword' and is the alternative name for Montante (Great sword), a huge thing, about twice the size of the Podang (pedang/Peudeung). On the other hand he tipifies Podang as a slightly curved sabre, whereas what the Portuguese dealt with, at the time their weapons and namings might have left their influence, were straight swords. Later he sugests that the Podang's shape maybe an imitation of Indian and Portuguese swords, and i fail to discern how such two are comparable ... specially on the hilt langets . Finaly, you don't write 'Espadao' but 'Espadão', which makes a lot of difference. The nasal (unique) diphtong 'ão' sounds more like 'espadaum' than 'espadan' ... and never 'espadang'; no word terminates or sounds as having a 'g' in Portuguese. ... this not pretending that Zonneveld's proposal is wrong I wish i could find some track. Fernando

27th September 2008, 12:41 AM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	Royston, First you show us a curved Piso to discuss; then you post a straight example ... Which sword are we discussing ??

27th September 2008, 11:36 AM	#4
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,087	Your straight bladed example has a lovely pattern welded blade and you can clearly see the lamination which is a bold pattern in the central portion of the blade with wavy laminations along each edge. Hard to say if it is native or Indian made. You do see similar patterns in both cultures. For example, sikim blades from Atjeh can have similar patterns but I have also seen tulwar with very similar forging. Given the long standing trade routes between India and Sumatra and the fact the Piso Podang hilt is based on an early tulwar style hilt I wouldn't be surprised if the forging techniques also crossed over.