Sumatran Jawa Demam - Anak Ayam Sejuk - Birdman/Garuda?

Marcokeris · 20th September 2008, 11:59 PM

Another Jawa Solo (?) hit from classic Bezemer's Indonesische Kunstnijverheid

VVV · 21st September 2008, 09:04 PM

Thanks for sharing, Marco!

It seems like the original hilt of the earlier published illustration.
To me it looks much more like a Raksasa hilt than a birdlike Jawa Demam.
No beak and no garuda mungkur but a resembling arm position.
The style is however quite different compared to for instance my avatar.
I am not that convinced that this was a Javanese hilt variation with wide distribution.

Michael

A. G. Maisey · 24th September 2008, 10:24 PM

I think you're right about that illustration I posted, Michael. It probably lacks the triangular head shape we see in other Jawa demams.

When some of these publications give an attribution for an example of S.E Asian art , the attribution is based on where the object was collected, that does not necessarily mean that it originated there, and in the case of something like a keris hilt the European writer would be very unlikely to have much knowledge about that class of object.

So if we look at the example from Bezemer with an attribution of Solo, that Marco has posted, I believe that we are seeing where it was collected. I have never seen anything genuinely associated with Solo that would support that place as a point of origin for Bezemer's Solo hilt.

I think maybe we're still at the starting gate with this hilt form. Maybe its Jawa, but Jawa where?

20th September 2008, 11:59 PM	#1
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Another Jawa Solo (?) hit from classic Bezemer's Indonesische Kunstnijverheid Attached Images

21st September 2008, 09:04 PM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks for sharing, Marco! It seems like the original hilt of the earlier published illustration. To me it looks much more like a Raksasa hilt than a birdlike Jawa Demam. No beak and no garuda mungkur but a resembling arm position. The style is however quite different compared to for instance my avatar. I am not that convinced that this was a Javanese hilt variation with wide distribution. Michael

24th September 2008, 10:24 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,048	I think you're right about that illustration I posted, Michael. It probably lacks the triangular head shape we see in other Jawa demams. When some of these publications give an attribution for an example of S.E Asian art , the attribution is based on where the object was collected, that does not necessarily mean that it originated there, and in the case of something like a keris hilt the European writer would be very unlikely to have much knowledge about that class of object. So if we look at the example from Bezemer with an attribution of Solo, that Marco has posted, I believe that we are seeing where it was collected. I have never seen anything genuinely associated with Solo that would support that place as a point of origin for Bezemer's Solo hilt. I think maybe we're still at the starting gate with this hilt form. Maybe its Jawa, but Jawa where?