A gem made by Gem

[FenrisWolf]

Originally Posted by katana

Wow Fernando,
I thought it was just our friends on the other side of the 'pond' that were 'gun crazy'

Kind Regards David

I'm reminded of a bit of dialog from a movie called 'Barcelona', where a Spanish woman comments to an American about how violent American culture is, to which he replied, "Amercia isn't any more violent than anywhere else in the world; we're just better shots!" As the German officers discovered in WWI....

Fenris
proud owner of a whole BUNCHA guns
(though none of them as pretty as those shown on this board!)

[lemmythesmith]

Hi Fernando, that's a beauty!! I've shot one of these (almost the twin to yours) and they are a joy to shoot.

Regards, Graham.

[Ed]

Oh, Fernando ... Portugal!!!

God, my wife and I went there for a couple of weeks a long time ago ... Cascais to Porto to Sintra to the Algarve and back to Lisboa. What a great trip, I recall seeing the Crusader ruins and a gorgeous Templar church ... Sintra was it? I forget. And the military museum in Lisbon. I drove down an alley looking for it and bumped into a couple of machine gun toting soldiers and their officer. He looked at me and slowly wagged his finger back and forth. "No further" he meant. Gave him a big Dumb Toiurist (tm) smile and off we went.

Vintage Port and BBQ'd shrimp with Piri Piri.

I mainly remember the food..... barnacles at that great restaurant near Cascais right on the beach ...

Portugal, great destination ... don't tell anyone.

[fernando]

wrong ... and removeable.

[celtan]

Black Powder can last centuries without significant decay, specially if well packed or if made with Saltpeter.

Hmmm....Percebes AND mejillones. Plus some Octopus "a la galega" regado with Albarinho wine...



(You guys must have something similar to pulpo a la galega and Albarino, portuguese and galicians have lots of customs in common. )

BTW: I own C-96s, P-08s (including one artillery plus the round magazine), P-38s, ASTRAS 900 & 600, a Mauser M95, a few modern and my carry, a SW-65...

I fancy about owning a MP-38/40, a MP-5, a Dragunov, a M-14 (or a M1/A2), a G3 or a FAL. But it's actually impractical. Too much iron to spread among the walls! The M14 alternative is very attractive, albeit impossible, being a full automatic..



[QUOTE=fernando][QUOTE=Ed]Oh, Fernando ... Portugal!!!
God, my wife and I went there for a couple of weeks a long time ago ... Cascais to Porto to Sintra to the Algarve and back to Lisboa. What a great trip, I recall seeing the Crusader ruins and a gorgeous Templar church ... Sintra was it? I forget. [QUOTE]

That was the Tomar convent, with the magnificent Templar "charola".

[QUOTE=Ed] And the military museum in Lisbon.[QUOTE]

I go there every now and then ... the greatest world collection of bronze cannons in the yard.

~

I don't fancy much Port wine ... but i usually have the best for offer.

[QUOTE=Ed]I mainly remember the food..... barnacles ...

We call them percebes; they taste like sea.



I won't

Fernando

[fernando]

Originally Posted by celtan

... Hmmm....Percebes AND mejillones. Plus some Octopus "a la galega" regado with Albarinho wine... (You guys must have something similar to pulpo a la galega and Albarino, portuguese and galicians have lots of customs in common.)

Yeah. Percebes, alvarinho e polvo. A good Portuguese labeled alvarinho is expensive; but not if you order it in jars, in little local restaurants or taverns.
I happen to live 90 Kms. away from Galiza. No wonder we have lots of things in common, including a similar language, based on the Galaico-Portuguese; both sides of the actual border were the same nation, over 800 years ago

Originally Posted by celtan

BTW: I own C-96s, P-08s (including one artillery plus the round magazine), P-38s, ASTRAS 900 & 600, a Mauser M95, a few modern and my carry, a SW-65... I fancy about owning a MP-38/40, a MP-5, a Dragunov, a M-14 (or a M1/A2), a G3 or a FAL. But it's actually impractical. Too much iron to spread among the walls! The M14 alternative is very attractive, albeit impossible, being a full automatic...

Hombre, caramba
... And was it to me that David (Katana) asked if i was expecting troubles ?

Fernando

[fernando]

wrong... and removeable ... part II

[fernando]

wrong ... and removeable Part III.
A disastrous sequence of wrongly built postings.

[fernando]

Originally Posted by Ed

Oh, Fernando ... Portugal!!!
God, my wife and I went there for a couple of weeks a long time ago ... Cascais to Porto to Sintra to the Algarve and back to Lisboa. What a great trip, I recall seeing the Crusader ruins and a gorgeous Templar church ... Sintra was it? I forget.

The convent of Tomar, with its magnificent Templar "Charola".

Originally Posted by Ed

And the military museum in Lisbon.

I go there every now and then. The greatest world collection of bronze cannons ... is mostly in the yard.

Originally Posted by Ed

Vintage Port and BBQ'd shrimp with Piri Piri.

I don't go much for Port wine myself, but i usually have the best for offer.

Originally Posted by Ed

I mainly remember the food..... barnacles ...

We call them percebes; they taste like sea.

Originally Posted by Ed

Portugal, great destination ... don't tell anyone.

I won't

Fernando

[kahnjar1]

Hi Fernando,
A very nice piece and much the sort of thing I used to collect. Its a model 1855 Beaumont Adams revolver, and all the original bits seem to be still in the case---a real bonus!! Is there any marking on the mould?
Edward Gem & Co is not shown as a MAKER in my books, so I assume that he was the retailer. This was quite usual on these and more often than not, the RETAILER was marked on the rib, rather than the maker. I take it that the Trade Label which would normally be inside the lid of the case is no longer there? A lot of these revolvers were actually made by the London Armoury Co and were usually marked L.A.C somewhere on the frame or barrel. I see British Proofs on the cylinder. Anything on the barrel?
STILL ASHAMED FERNANDO??? I DON'T THINK SO!!! ITS A LOVELY PIECE!

[Atlantia]

Wow Fernando! Thats a truly breathtaking set.
You really don't see them in that condition often these days.
That would be the 'jewel' ;-) of any collection.

Reagrds
Gene

[fernando]

Hi Stu

Originally Posted by kahnjar1

... A very nice piece and much the sort of thing I used to collect. Its a model 1855 Beaumont Adams revolver

Yes, it has a Beaumont Adams silhouette, but with a few alterations, both in body as also in assembly, with some "luxury" optionals.
And it is obviously a 54 bore caliber and not 58 as i first mentioned.

Originally Posted by kahnjar1

... and all the original bits seem to be still in the case---a real bonus!! Is there any marking on the mould?

The only mark in the mould is the caliber digits 54. The powder flask is marked Bartram.

Originally Posted by kahnjar1

... Edward Gem & Co is not shown as a MAKER in my books, so I assume that he was the retailer. This was quite usual on these and more often than not, the RETAILER was marked on the rib, rather than the maker.

Well, not propperly as retailer in the generical sense. It took me five years to find out that Mr Edward Gem was one of a number of Birmingham Gunmakers and dealers who became a shareholder in the founding on the Birmingham small arms Co Ltd.
He has also been a factor for a number of Birmingham makers; i guess in a sense that, at a certain stage there were several "workshops" in Birmingham, making loose weapons parts, that were later assembled by those that sold the guns to the market ... retailers, governments and other.

Originally Posted by kahnjar1

... I take it that the Trade Label which would normally be inside the lid of the case is no longer there?

I ignore if ever there was a Trade Label; some ignorant, thinking he was doing the right thing, has painted the whole case interior with some thick plastic paint, thus covering all traces of a possible label. One of these things you will never know the reason for.

Originally Posted by kahnjar1

... A lot of these revolvers were actually made by the London Armoury Co and were usually marked L.A.C somewhere on the frame or barrel.

As introduced above, i don't think this was the case; more probably a "white line" specimen or, which also took place in those days, a customized and or personalized specimen, ordered with instructions not to bring any maker's codes.

Originally Posted by kahnjar1

... I see British Proofs on the cylinder. Anything on the barrel?

Yes, both Birmingham and London proof marks on both cylinder and barrel

Originally Posted by kahnjar1

... STILL ASHAMED FERNANDO??? I DON'T THINK SO!!! ITS A LOVELY PIECE!

Well, they are not all junk

Fernando

[kahnjar1]

Originally Posted by fernando

Hi Stu



Yes, it has a Beaumont Adams silhouette, but with a few alterations, both in body as also in assembly, with some "luxury" optionals.
And it is obviously a 54 bore caliber and not 58 as i first mentioned.



The only mark in the mould is the caliber digits 54. The powder flask is marked Bartram.



Well, not propperly as retailer in the generical sense. It took me five years to find out that Mr Edward Gem was one of a number of Birmingham Gunmakers and dealers who became a shareholder in the founding on the Birmingham small arms Co Ltd.
He has also been a factor for a number of Birmingham makers; i guess in a sense that, at a certain stage there were several "workshops" in Birmingham, making loose weapons parts, that were later assembled by those that sold the guns to the market ... retailers, governments and other.



I ignore if ever there was a Trade Label; some ignorant, thinking he was doing the right thing, has painted the whole case interior with some thick plastic paint, thus covering all traces of a possible label. One of these things you will never know the reason for.



As introduced above, i don't think this was the case; more probably a "white line" specimen or, which also took place in those days, a customized and or personalized specimen, ordered with instructions not to bring any maker's codes.



Yes, both Birmingham and London proof marks on both cylinder and barrel



Well, they are not all junk

Fernando

Hi Fernando,
I had noticed a few differences between this item and the Beaumont Adams. The most noticable to me was the way on which the cylinder release pin was held. The Beaumont has a screw on the side of the frame rather than underneath as this one has.
The TRUE Adams mould has an oval shaped stamp with Adams name and the bore size--not just the bore number.
I am intrigued that you say that this has both London AND Birmingham Proof marks. MOST unusual in my opinion. Any pics?
Regards Stu