New keris?

Henk · 30th August 2008, 02:47 PM

That's a nice balinese keris. Dapur cundrik if I'm not mistaken. The mendak is missing. The scabbard has a pendok.
Nice piece. Congrats!

scratch · 30th August 2008, 06:54 PM

Cheers Henk

I had thought this blade to be "straight but with an unusual slant". Piece has a seperate gongo. Balinese

Rick · 30th August 2008, 07:44 PM

That looks like a keris pedang or Ligan .

Marcokeris · 30th August 2008, 08:26 PM

Mr. Ganjawulung gave me this gift (sarong and pendok) some time ago. At that time the gajaman was not till completely finish (there was not the final polishing). Slowly slowly i have finish the work and then i have find a blade....but i don't remember what kind of wood is this and what is the name!
Dear Ganja please can help me to know the name?

Marcokeris · 30th August 2008, 08:30 PM

Sorry I wanted to do a new thread but i have do a mistake

A. G. Maisey · 31st August 2008, 12:34 AM

I dislike intensely getting involved in dhapur discussion, because there is this tendency to apply Javanese dhapur names to keris forms from various other places, where the same name often will not apply, and also because even within Jawa itself opinions on the salient features of particular dhapurs can vary greatly.

However, this keris is an interesting form, and I will throw a comment into the ring.

The pawakan of this blade is certainly very like unto a cundrik or cengkrong, but it appears to have a rolled edge, or back-pipe as the continuation of the wadidang, so I don't think we can apply these names.

I think it might be able to be called a ligan, as Rick suggests.

Yes, there is no uwer fitted, however, in my experience, uwer are very seldom in evidence in the vast majority of Balinese keris, especially older ones.

Henk · 31st August 2008, 08:07 AM

[QUOTE=A. G. Maisey]there is this tendency to apply Javanese dhapur names to keris forms from various other placesQUOTE]

Alan, you are completely right. I noticed among fellow collectors here in Holland that we use the Javanese names for the dhapur and other parts on keris not from Java, because we all know what we mean. In that case we speak the same language.
Using Javanese names is because we simply haven't the knowledge to use the names belonging to the parts of keris originated outside Java.

Maybe a list of names for Balinese, Madura and Sumatran keris parts could be useful. This part of kerisknowledge is disapearing.

30th August 2008, 06:54 PM	#2
scratch Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 96	Another angle Cheers Henk I had thought this blade to be "straight but with an unusual slant". Piece has a seperate gongo. Balinese Attached Images

30th August 2008, 08:26 PM	#4
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	A gayaman with unusual wood Mr. Ganjawulung gave me this gift (sarong and pendok) some time ago. At that time the gajaman was not till completely finish (there was not the final polishing). Slowly slowly i have finish the work and then i have find a blade....but i don't remember what kind of wood is this and what is the name! Dear Ganja please can help me to know the name? Attached Images Last edited by Marcokeris; 30th August 2008 at 08:28 PM. Reason: a new tread sorry!!

30th August 2008, 02:47 PM	#1
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	That's a nice balinese keris. Dapur cundrik if I'm not mistaken. The mendak is missing. The scabbard has a pendok. Nice piece. Congrats!

30th August 2008, 07:44 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	That looks like a keris pedang or Ligan .

30th August 2008, 08:30 PM	#5
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Sorry I wanted to do a new thread but i have do a mistake

31st August 2008, 12:34 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,019	I dislike intensely getting involved in dhapur discussion, because there is this tendency to apply Javanese dhapur names to keris forms from various other places, where the same name often will not apply, and also because even within Jawa itself opinions on the salient features of particular dhapurs can vary greatly. However, this keris is an interesting form, and I will throw a comment into the ring. The pawakan of this blade is certainly very like unto a cundrik or cengkrong, but it appears to have a rolled edge, or back-pipe as the continuation of the wadidang, so I don't think we can apply these names. I think it might be able to be called a ligan, as Rick suggests. Yes, there is no uwer fitted, however, in my experience, uwer are very seldom in evidence in the vast majority of Balinese keris, especially older ones.

31st August 2008, 08:07 AM	#7
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	[QUOTE=A. G. Maisey]there is this tendency to apply Javanese dhapur names to keris forms from various other placesQUOTE] Alan, you are completely right. I noticed among fellow collectors here in Holland that we use the Javanese names for the dhapur and other parts on keris not from Java, because we all know what we mean. In that case we speak the same language. Using Javanese names is because we simply haven't the knowledge to use the names belonging to the parts of keris originated outside Java. Maybe a list of names for Balinese, Madura and Sumatran keris parts could be useful. This part of kerisknowledge is disapearing.