It's the same old story

Rick · 21st August 2008, 08:49 PM

Well, I had at the Ganja Iras with the Ferric .
It took a couple of tries and the effect may be the reverse of what it might be if traditionally stained ...

I just wanted to see the pamor .

Marcokeris · 21st August 2008, 09:35 PM

Rick
It seems a bendo segodo/uler lulut pamor.....but....it's like a negative picture!!

Rick · 21st August 2008, 09:40 PM

That's what I meant to illustrate; maybe the positive effect shown ( see bottom picture) would be caused by Arsenic .

With Arsenic the iron goes black instead of the result I got with ferric .

I see uler lulut (albeit a loose one) Marco .

Of course if this keris is Balinese the pamor may be called differently there .

Marcokeris · 21st August 2008, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Of course if this keris is Balinese the pamor may be called differently there .

Rante

,Sapta Resi

Rick · 21st August 2008, 09:58 PM

I meant there may be a Balinese word or term for this pamor rather than Javanese .

A. G. Maisey · 22nd August 2008, 12:22 AM

Rick, you have still darkened the ferric material, exactly as you would have had you used warangan, the difference is that it is simply not as dark.

I've made damascus blades that incorporated mild steel + 01 + nickel, and I've stained them with ferric chloride. The end result is very similar to what we see in a keris blade.

If the pamor is high phosphorus content iron, then you're going to get a dark grey, light grey effect from ferric chloride, but if there is nickelous content, the nickel bearing material will still not be effected by the ferric chloride.

Rick · 22nd August 2008, 02:07 AM

Now I'm confused Alan,
Warangan would turn the core of this keris black; no ?
Why then does the ferric render it as lighter than the pamor material ?

The first ferric stain was quite muddy .

BTW; did we decide an origin for this keris; E. Jawa, Bali ?

Is it my technique ?

21st August 2008, 08:49 PM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,348	Well, I had at the Ganja Iras with the Ferric . It took a couple of tries and the effect may be the reverse of what it might be if traditionally stained ... I just wanted to see the pamor . Attached Images Last edited by Rick; 21st August 2008 at 09:35 PM.

21st August 2008, 09:40 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,348	That's what I meant to illustrate; maybe the positive effect shown ( see bottom picture) would be caused by Arsenic . With Arsenic the iron goes black instead of the result I got with ferric . I see uler lulut (albeit a loose one) Marco . Of course if this keris is Balinese the pamor may be called differently there . Last edited by Rick; 21st August 2008 at 09:53 PM. Reason: I think I've got this right , now .......

21st August 2008, 09:35 PM	#2
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Rick It seems a bendo segodo/uler lulut pamor.....but....it's like a negative picture!!

21st August 2008, 09:58 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,348	I meant there may be a Balinese word or term for this pamor rather than Javanese .

22nd August 2008, 12:22 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,049	Rick, you have still darkened the ferric material, exactly as you would have had you used warangan, the difference is that it is simply not as dark. I've made damascus blades that incorporated mild steel + 01 + nickel, and I've stained them with ferric chloride. The end result is very similar to what we see in a keris blade. If the pamor is high phosphorus content iron, then you're going to get a dark grey, light grey effect from ferric chloride, but if there is nickelous content, the nickel bearing material will still not be effected by the ferric chloride.

22nd August 2008, 02:07 AM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,348	Now I'm confused Alan, Warangan would turn the core of this keris black; no ? Why then does the ferric render it as lighter than the pamor material ? The first ferric stain was quite muddy . BTW; did we decide an origin for this keris; E. Jawa, Bali ? Is it my technique ?