First Keris acquired

A. G. Maisey · 19th August 2008, 01:55 PM

No Scratch, not cengkrong, pasopati.

Why do you mention Frey's book? Which edition?

scratch · 23rd August 2008, 02:55 PM

Pasopati,a lovely shape, Are modern made keris of this type availiable to collectors?
I am having trouble finding info on cengkrong, direction please?
A G maisey, "The Kris, Edward Frey, second edition" mentions a warangan method, is what I should have wrote. Does Freys method produce reliable results?
Is this an acceptable change? I hope to succeed in staining the blade with time.

Cheers,

Dan

A. G. Maisey · 23rd August 2008, 09:58 PM

Yes, it is possible to find current era blades of dhapur pasopati, however, they will not look like the one I made, as this is my interpretation. They will have the same overall appearance, and they will have the same features, but they will look different. Its the same with any art:- ask 20 artists to draw a tree, and each of those trees will be different.

I've got a cengkrong around somewhere, when I find it I'll post a pic.

The method published by Frey is in one of the later editions of his book. I do not know what he published, so I cannot comment.

The level of colour you have achieved is sufficient to read the pamor, so its OK. Not yet good, but OK.

A. G. Maisey · 24th August 2008, 06:19 AM

Two pics of cengkrongs.

The physical keris was made by Empu Pauzan Pusposudgo in 1983 and the foto of a certificate accompanies it. It should be noted that although Pak Pauzan is commonly referred to as "empu", he himself rejects this title, and prefers to be known as a pandai keris. This was the ninth keris made by Pak Pauzan.

The foto of the drawing is from a guidebook of keris dhapur.

23rd August 2008, 02:55 PM	#2
scratch Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 96	Pasopati,a lovely shape, Are modern made keris of this type availiable to collectors? I am having trouble finding info on cengkrong, direction please? A G maisey, "The Kris, Edward Frey, second edition" mentions a warangan method, is what I should have wrote. Does Freys method produce reliable results? Is this an acceptable change? I hope to succeed in staining the blade with time. Cheers, Dan Attached Images

24th August 2008, 06:19 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,019	Two pics of cengkrongs. The physical keris was made by Empu Pauzan Pusposudgo in 1983 and the foto of a certificate accompanies it. It should be noted that although Pak Pauzan is commonly referred to as "empu", he himself rejects this title, and prefers to be known as a pandai keris. This was the ninth keris made by Pak Pauzan. The foto of the drawing is from a guidebook of keris dhapur. Attached Images

19th August 2008, 01:55 PM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,019	No Scratch, not cengkrong, pasopati. Why do you mention Frey's book? Which edition?

23rd August 2008, 09:58 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,019	Yes, it is possible to find current era blades of dhapur pasopati, however, they will not look like the one I made, as this is my interpretation. They will have the same overall appearance, and they will have the same features, but they will look different. Its the same with any art:- ask 20 artists to draw a tree, and each of those trees will be different. I've got a cengkrong around somewhere, when I find it I'll post a pic. The method published by Frey is in one of the later editions of his book. I do not know what he published, so I cannot comment. The level of colour you have achieved is sufficient to read the pamor, so its OK. Not yet good, but OK.