First Keris acquired

A. G. Maisey · 19th August 2008, 04:17 AM

Yes Rick, that's the one.

I didn't realise that arsenic quality made any difference either---until I drove myself half crazy with trying to get decent results from industrial quality.

scratch · 19th August 2008, 11:04 AM

G'day,
A G Maisy,
Thank you for your words

Unfortunately windows of opportunity for this particular staining process are not frequent. I will be patient. I will find staining thread with search again. I have Freys book. I believe it to be laboratory arsenic trioxide. It produces black? I will check with source, thanks for the alert.
What a lovely blade!
The dapor is meaningful in intent/Looks good. The requirements to forge such art are unknown to me. Thank you for sharing

What is this bade dapor called? Is it chengkrong?
The blade I posted does look nice in a Java handle.
Hello Battara,
Cheers,

Dan

David · 19th August 2008, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scratch

I believe it to be laboratory arsenic trioxide. It produces black?

The color produced is dependent upon the types of iron used in the blade. Black is not always the result. Shades of gray are common.

A. G. Maisey · 19th August 2008, 01:55 PM

No Scratch, not cengkrong, pasopati.

Why do you mention Frey's book? Which edition?

scratch · 23rd August 2008, 02:55 PM

Pasopati,a lovely shape, Are modern made keris of this type availiable to collectors?
I am having trouble finding info on cengkrong, direction please?
A G maisey, "The Kris, Edward Frey, second edition" mentions a warangan method, is what I should have wrote. Does Freys method produce reliable results?
Is this an acceptable change? I hope to succeed in staining the blade with time.

Cheers,

Dan

A. G. Maisey · 23rd August 2008, 09:58 PM

Yes, it is possible to find current era blades of dhapur pasopati, however, they will not look like the one I made, as this is my interpretation. They will have the same overall appearance, and they will have the same features, but they will look different. Its the same with any art:- ask 20 artists to draw a tree, and each of those trees will be different.

I've got a cengkrong around somewhere, when I find it I'll post a pic.

The method published by Frey is in one of the later editions of his book. I do not know what he published, so I cannot comment.

The level of colour you have achieved is sufficient to read the pamor, so its OK. Not yet good, but OK.

A. G. Maisey · 24th August 2008, 06:19 AM

Two pics of cengkrongs.

The physical keris was made by Empu Pauzan Pusposudgo in 1983 and the foto of a certificate accompanies it. It should be noted that although Pak Pauzan is commonly referred to as "empu", he himself rejects this title, and prefers to be known as a pandai keris. This was the ninth keris made by Pak Pauzan.

The foto of the drawing is from a guidebook of keris dhapur.

23rd August 2008, 02:55 PM	#5
scratch Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 96	Pasopati,a lovely shape, Are modern made keris of this type availiable to collectors? I am having trouble finding info on cengkrong, direction please? A G maisey, "The Kris, Edward Frey, second edition" mentions a warangan method, is what I should have wrote. Does Freys method produce reliable results? Is this an acceptable change? I hope to succeed in staining the blade with time. Cheers, Dan Attached Images

24th August 2008, 06:19 AM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,049	Two pics of cengkrongs. The physical keris was made by Empu Pauzan Pusposudgo in 1983 and the foto of a certificate accompanies it. It should be noted that although Pak Pauzan is commonly referred to as "empu", he himself rejects this title, and prefers to be known as a pandai keris. This was the ninth keris made by Pak Pauzan. The foto of the drawing is from a guidebook of keris dhapur. Attached Images

19th August 2008, 04:17 AM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,049	Yes Rick, that's the one. I didn't realise that arsenic quality made any difference either---until I drove myself half crazy with trying to get decent results from industrial quality.

19th August 2008, 11:04 AM	#2
scratch Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 96	G'day, A G Maisy, Thank you for your words Unfortunately windows of opportunity for this particular staining process are not frequent. I will be patient. I will find staining thread with search again. I have Freys book. I believe it to be laboratory arsenic trioxide. It produces black? I will check with source, thanks for the alert. What a lovely blade! The dapor is meaningful in intent/Looks good. The requirements to forge such art are unknown to me. Thank you for sharing What is this bade dapor called? Is it chengkrong? The blade I posted does look nice in a Java handle. Hello Battara, Cheers, Dan

19th August 2008, 01:55 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,049	No Scratch, not cengkrong, pasopati. Why do you mention Frey's book? Which edition?

23rd August 2008, 09:58 PM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,049	Yes, it is possible to find current era blades of dhapur pasopati, however, they will not look like the one I made, as this is my interpretation. They will have the same overall appearance, and they will have the same features, but they will look different. Its the same with any art:- ask 20 artists to draw a tree, and each of those trees will be different. I've got a cengkrong around somewhere, when I find it I'll post a pic. The method published by Frey is in one of the later editions of his book. I do not know what he published, so I cannot comment. The level of colour you have achieved is sufficient to read the pamor, so its OK. Not yet good, but OK.